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PostSubject: Grongigas armor sets?   Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:37 pm

So it's that time again when I actually get back into 3U for a bit and look for new things to do. This time I need an ULTIMATE grongigas hammer set. I know probably ALL the skills I want won't be possible but here's a list of the skills I do want if possible:

Awaken
Sharp+1
Bombardier
Partbreaker
KO King (or whatever it's called)
and if possible High Grade Earplugs.

I know often the Grongigas hammer is paired with the helios/selene X armor but I'm wondering if this really is the best combo or if there's way to get more.

If anyone has an armor generator link or just outright recommendation, that'd be great. Also I'm in Charm table 10 if that helps as I'm sure a specific charm is needed.

So yeah, any help would be appreciated.



P.S. I'm sure I've actually asked this question before but I can't seem to find it anywhere on the forum for some reason, trying to get back into hammering things like Alatreon G rank and I want the ultimate hammer for it.

EDIT: Forgot to put Awaken as a skill lol.
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PostSubject: Re: Grongigas armor sets?   Fri Dec 19, 2014 7:55 pm

Awaken
Sharp+1
Bombardier
KO King
High Grade Earplugs

Helios Helm Z
Diablos Mail U
Diablos Vambraces U
Helios Coil X
Helios Greaves X
-----------------
+5 Handicraft, +6 FreeElemnt ---
-----------------
2x KO Jewel 2
5x Bombardier Jwl 1
1x Earplug Jewel 1


Have fun getting that talisman.
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PostSubject: Re: Grongigas armor sets?   Fri Dec 19, 2014 7:59 pm

Helios Helm Z
Lagiacrus Mail Z
Helios Vambraces X
Helios Coil X
Artian Greaves X
-----------------
+3 Handicraft OOO
-----------------
1x Destroyer Jwl 3
3x KO Jewel 2
5x Bombardier Jwl 1
1x KO Jewel 1

Lagombi Helm X
Damascus Mail X
Helios Vambraces X
Helios Coil X
Artian Greaves X
-----------------
+4 Destroyer, +8 Bomb Boost ---
-----------------
3x KO Jewel 2
1x Bombardier Jwl 1
1x Destroyer Jwl 1
1x KO Jewel 1

Helios Helm Z
Yamato Doate Prime
Helios Vambraces X
Helios Coil X
Artian Greaves X
-----------------
+4 Destroyer, +8 Bomb Boost ---
-----------------
1x Handicraft Jwl 3
3x KO Jewel 2
1x Bombardier Jwl 1
1x Destroyer Jwl 1
1x KO Jewel 1

To add to Pain's, I checked my Armor caculator and got these 3... literally these 3. i could of switched out parts breaker with hg Earplugs but, wanted to test the main 5 first.
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PostSubject: Re: Grongigas armor sets?   Fri Dec 19, 2014 8:20 pm

Hmm thanks. Is Bombardier all that great? I heard elsewhere that for Grongigas it only gives like 80 more slime on the weapon. Is this true and if so, can I just ditch it for say:

Awaken
Sharp+1
Partbreaker
KO King
High Grade Earplugs?

Is that kind of set viable or possible?
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PostSubject: Re: Grongigas armor sets?   Fri Dec 19, 2014 10:53 pm

@Ken Kurobasa wrote:


To add to Pain's, I checked my Armor caculator and got these 3... literally these 3. i could of switched out parts breaker with hg Earplugs but, wanted to test the main 5 first.

I don't think you searched for sets in his charm table which is 10.

Nova,

Awaken
Partbreaker
Sharp+1
KO King
HGE

Helios Cap X
Helios Mail Z
Helios Vambraces X
Helios Coil X
Helios Greaves X
-----------------
+5 Handicraft O--
-----------------
2x KO Jewel 2
4x KO Jewel 1

there were some others with Handi +4 OO but u would have Demonic Blessing.


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PostSubject: Re: Grongigas armor sets?   Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:38 pm

Not bad, thanks all.

Is the loss of bombardier not that important?
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PostSubject: Re: Grongigas armor sets?   Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:57 pm

I did though o.o. I set it to charm table 10 when I did that. At least I swear I did.
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PostSubject: Re: Grongigas armor sets?   Sun Dec 21, 2014 12:46 am

Also Pain im guessing the Handi+5 with 1 socket talisman is an Enduring Charm one?
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PostSubject: Re: Grongigas armor sets?   Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:23 am

lol no idea dude, i don't have a handi+5 O
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PostSubject: Re: Grongigas armor sets?   Tue Dec 23, 2014 5:44 pm

Anyone yet figure out what kind of charm a Handicraft+5 1 socket is? I mean I'm guessing Enduring but I don't wanna start hard farming for it unless I know what it is.
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PostSubject: Re: Grongigas armor sets?   Tue Dec 23, 2014 5:54 pm

Handicraft+5 comes from weathered charms.
Charm Tables 3 and 9 don't have a slot to gem with Handicraft+5 charms.
(neither do the cursed tables, of course.)
Charm Table 6 has a Handicraft+5 charm with two slots.
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PostSubject: Re: Grongigas armor sets?   Tue Dec 23, 2014 6:22 pm

@TKMT wrote:
Handicraft+5 comes from weathered charms.
Charm Tables 3 and 9 don't have a slot to gem with Handicraft+5 charms.
(neither do the cursed tables, of course.)
Charm Table 6 has a Handicraft+5 charm with two slots.

The hell is a "weathered charm"? Also as stated before, I'm in table 10

Also, Pain, I just realized the last set you recommended uses a Gunner cap...that's gonna massively lower my defense on a set for melee that isn't using any Evasion skills. That's very risky...what's that sets max defense?
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PostSubject: Re: Grongigas armor sets?   Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:06 pm

First of all Partbreaker is not worth it, as with that hammer you'll break parts easily thanks to slime. Second, KO King is totally useless skill in this game.

GaijinHunter wrote:
The KO King skill will increase your KO damage by 10%. So taking for example Rathian, you will do 44 stun damage instead of 40. Keep note that is still takes 4 hits to bring her down because her starting stun threshold is 150 (44*3 = only 132).

KO skill starts to come into play after the first KO. For example, Rathianís threshold increases to 300 after the first KO. That means 8 uppercuts to KO her, but only 7 with the KO skill. Overall you will get 1 extra stun a hunt with the skill if you are lucky.

The best overall Gringigas set in the game, which is considered ULTIMATE, is actually:

Helios Z Helm
Damascus Mail X
Rhopessa Brachia X
Helios X Coil
Gigginox Greaves S

Handicraft+5, Free Element+7

it gives:

sharpness+1
awaken
speed sharpening
challenger+2
earplugs

Charm is only obtainable in T10. Set is also lookin pretty good.

There's also weaker version obtainable in almost every charm table:

Challenger+2
Awaken
Sharpness+1
Earplugs

You can get it really easy even with charms like +2 Hearing, OOO or +3 Hearing, OO, +2 Handicraft OO.

If you want to fight Alatreon you need Rock Steady instead of earplugs. It's possible to gem it with Handicraft+5, Free Element+7. The set is:

Grand Yamato Kabuto
Damascus Mail X
Helios Vambrances X
Lambient Sash
Grand Yamato Gusoku

==========

There's also another way to use Grongigas, less powerfull, but more consistent in my opinion. With combination of parts posted below you get both Razor Sharp and Awaken as starting skills, +5 to Handicraft and 9 slots to gem at least 1 more B class skill and one C class skill.

Gigginox Helm X
Gigginox Mail X
Wroggi Vambrances X
Yamato Prime
Artian X

You should combine it with Handicraft+5 charm + .... skill. Because Handicraft+5 charm is obtainable in every table you can create some sick results. The combination of Razor Sharp and S+1 makes Grongigas deadly weapon and maintaining purple sharpness is not a problem anymore.

For examle I'm using Handicraft+5, Sharpness+3. I'm fan of evade-hammering and I roll through roars.

My skills are:

Razor Sharp
Sharpness+1
Bombardier
Awaken
Evasion+1

Grongigas is also usable without using Awaken to get slime thanks to huge raw. You can use it as pure raw hammer, because it has best raw in the game for hammers. Not many people know this but there's really easy set to make and it only requires +5 handicraft charm.

Miralis Crown
Miralis Breastplate
Miralis Grievers
Lambent Sash
Vangis Greaves X
-----------------
+5 Handicraft ---

it gives:

Challenger+2
Rock Steady
Attack up (S)
Sharpness+1

It's really good, easy to make set to fight Alatreon.
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PostSubject: Re: Grongigas armor sets?   Wed Dec 24, 2014 1:29 am

Nova wrote:
The hell is a "weathered charm"? Also as stated before, I'm in table 10
It's the charms you'll be farming for to get your Handicraft+5 charms. Weathered charms contain Enduring charms and the like.

I thought you'd know since you mentioned farming.
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PostSubject: Re: Grongigas armor sets?   Wed Dec 24, 2014 2:37 am

@TKMT wrote:
Nova wrote:
The hell is a "weathered charm"? Also as stated before, I'm in table 10
It's the charms you'll be farming for to get your Handicraft+5 charms. Weathered charms contain Enduring charms and the like.

I thought you'd know since you mentioned farming.

Who calls them "weathered" though? I've never heard of it like that before. It's always been: Mystery, Shining, Timeworn, Enduring, etc
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PostSubject: Re: Grongigas armor sets?   Wed Dec 24, 2014 3:08 am

Nova wrote:
@TKMT wrote:
Nova wrote:
The hell is a "weathered charm"? Also as stated before, I'm in table 10
It's the charms you'll be farming for to get your Handicraft+5 charms. Weathered charms contain Enduring charms and the like.

I thought you'd know since you mentioned farming.

Who calls them "weathered" though? I've never heard of it like that before. It's always been: Mystery, Shining, Timeworn, Enduring, etc

My guess is that "Weathered" is the translation from Japanese to English "Weathered" and "Enduring" charms are the same charm, there's not differences in what talismans they drop, but as TKMT has mentioned, "Enduring charms" are the charms you want to farm for your handicraft+5 talismans.
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PostSubject: Re: Grongigas armor sets?   Wed Dec 24, 2014 4:08 am

@TheLaw wrote:
Nova wrote:
@TKMT wrote:
Nova wrote:
The hell is a "weathered charm"? Also as stated before, I'm in table 10
It's the charms you'll be farming for to get your Handicraft+5 charms. Weathered charms contain Enduring charms and the like.

I thought you'd know since you mentioned farming.

Who calls them "weathered" though? I've never heard of it like that before. It's always been: Mystery, Shining, Timeworn, Enduring, etc

My guess is that "Weathered" is the translation from Japanese to English "Weathered" and "Enduring" charms are the same charm, there's not differences in what talismans they drop, but as TKMT has mentioned, "Enduring charms" are the charms you want to farm for your handicraft+5 talismans.

Ahhh, interesting. Thanks then everyone =)
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PostSubject: Re: Grongigas armor sets?   Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:04 am

One last question, what about just a standard set of:

Awaken
Partbreaker
Sharp+1
Bombardier
HGE

should be simpler. There's a ton of possibilities with this hammer and I wanna explore them all, and tbh I just enjoy partbreaker because..for example. I like to join randoms in Alatreon. However when I do such sometimes both horns don't break because of just how randoms or newcomers are and I'd rather ensure something breaks even if I have to solo the part.
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PostSubject: Re: Grongigas armor sets?   Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:22 am

You need to hunt Ala with me lol, I break both horns in 5mins if you're using a hammer

On my god's archipelago that is, as for your set it is feasible I used that on my female character when hunted with her,

However if you have someone on para, then you should be able to break both horns provided they para well enough, chum chums with stat+2 and mega dash juice works perfectly
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PostSubject: Re: Grongigas armor sets?   Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:28 am

It depends what you're facing. If it's HR Alatreon, it may happpen that you'll struggle to break them both because it's so weak that the overall damage, even made by randoms, will kill it. If it's G rank Alatreon, you should be fine with radoms even without Partbreaker. Breaking both horns isn't big deal when you take every chance to triple pound them. When he's KOd you got at least 2 triples and 1 when he's standing back. You should be getting 3-4 or 5 KOs solo, and there's also balista binder/flash bombs, so I really fail to see how you struggle breaking it. Partbreaker is only useful till you break horns, then it becomes passive skill.

Partbreaker can be useful only if you're new to hammering Alatreon. It's not very usefull outside of that, and takes A LOT to gem it in. Rock Steady is also superior to HGE, as it takes less points to gem in, and few armors which got points towards it got also Attack+ skill points, like Miralis.

But many people just like to use Helios X mix for Gringigas because it got most skills right. I'm just saying, if you want ULTIMATE, that's not the way.

With the set I show you earlier (Challenger+2, AuS, Sharpness+1, Rock Steady), you get AuL+AuS (huge boost to raw which is essential on hammers), Hearing protection (Rock Steady protects you from Ala roar), Critical Eye+2 (so no negative affinity on Grongigas), and Sharpness+1 to get to purple.

Also I found using Challenger skills on ala to have another advantage. You can clearly see when he's enraged and when he's not. That way you know exacly when throw flashes. I know you can also look at him directly, but I found looking on my character hand more comfortable.
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PostSubject: Re: Grongigas armor sets?   Wed Dec 24, 2014 2:20 pm

Nova wrote:
@TKMT wrote:
Nova wrote:
The hell is a "weathered charm"? Also as stated before, I'm in table 10
It's the charms you'll be farming for to get your Handicraft+5 charms. Weathered charms contain Enduring charms and the like.

I thought you'd know since you mentioned farming.

Who calls them "weathered" though? I've never heard of it like that before. It's always been: Mystery, Shining, Timeworn, Enduring, etc
My bad, had the Japanese name instead of the English name. Doesn't help that I was thinking of Weathered weapons when thinking of Charms. XD
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PostSubject: Re: Grongigas armor sets?   Fri Dec 26, 2014 1:32 pm

It's probably too late to add to the list, but if you can get that Handicraft +5, Free Element +7 talisman, I used that set:

Head: Miralis
Chest: Miralis
Arms: Miralis
Waist: Yamato Prime Koshiate
Legs: Artian X
Talisman: Handicraft +5, Free Element +7
---------------------------------------------------
x5 Bombardier Jewel
x1 Unshakable +4 (Whatever the gem is called)
x1 Unshakable +1 (Whatever that gem is called too)
x1 Attack Jewel 2 or x2 Attack Jewel 1

Skills:
Attack Up (M)
Awaken
Rock Steady
Sharpness +1
Bombardier

It's the one I'd always use. The ones that Antari listed are probably much better than mine, but at least mine has a constant Attack Up (M). :D

Nova wrote:
I like to join randoms in Alatreon.

That in itself is your main problem.

I love it how I can just fight the Alatreon with my two brothers. I hammer (This is with a different character where I just threw a set together. It has the skills: Sharpness +1, Awaken, HG Earplugs, and Bombardier) and they both use the Kelbi Bow.
We Sleep it twice and Para it twice, and the horns break less than halfway through the quest. Even though I'm not super good at hammering the Alatreon.
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