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PostSubject: MH3G speculations thread   Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:16 pm

This is a thread made so everyone can share what you think and speculate about the game.
Which monsters will be added?
Will there be new monsters?
New abilities?
anything?
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PostSubject: Re: MH3G speculations thread   Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:53 pm

Well, I dont know why, but I dont expect much from TriG. Maybe because Portable 3rd has added a lot of monsters, weapons, armors, etc.

For example:

Monsters that P3rd introduced:

Gagua, Zuwaroposu, Furogi, Aoashira, Dosufurogi, Urcusis, Hapurubokka, Rangurotora, Doboruberuku, Jinouga and Amatsumagatsuchi.

Subspecies that P3rd introduced:

Royal Ludroth Subspecies, Qurupeco Subspecies, Nargacuga Subspecies, Barroth Subspecies, Gigginox Subspecies, Barioth Subspecies, Uragaan Subspecies, Agnaktor Subspecies and Black Tigrex.

Monsters and subspecies from previous games that were not in Tri, but returned in P3rd:

Anteka, Bullfango, Nargacuga, Bulldrome, Tigrex, Silver Rathalos, Gold Rathian, Black Diablos, Akantor and Ukanlos.

So, with portable 3rd we have: 11 completely new monsters, 9 new subspecies, and 10 monsters from previous games that were not in tri, along with almost all Tri monsters (Fish, Epioth, Gobul, Lagiacrus, and Ceadeus were not present in P3rd for obvious reasons).


On the other hand, until now, TriG only introduced a new monster: Bracchidios; 4 new subspecies: Lagiacrus Subspecies, Jhen Mohran Subspecies, Jinouga Subspecies and Doboruberuku Subspecies; and 4 returning monsters that were not in Tri or P3rd: Plesioth, Green Plesioth, Azure Rathalos, and Pink Rathian.

To me, that is insufficient. Howerver, they have time to add much more monsters, but I'm not so enthusiastic about that.

PS: sorry for my english, I am from Argentina.
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PostSubject: Re: MH3G speculations thread   Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:13 pm

For the West all the P3rd new monsters are new...
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PostSubject: Re: MH3G speculations thread   Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:40 pm

@Florenz wrote:
For the West all the P3rd new monsters are new...
Well, for the west market yes, and for some west players. Many people already imported P3rd.
Well, still, there are monsters of P3rd that arent confirmed, like Amatsu, Akantor, Ukanlos and Zuwaroposu.
What I want is that Tri G have more difficulty. More challenging. P3rd level of difficulty was a complete joke. I want Tri G to be more challenging!
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PostSubject: Re: MH3G speculations thread   Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:45 pm

@ShadowCeadeusDM324 wrote:
@Florenz wrote:
For the West all the P3rd new monsters are new...
Well, for the west market yes, and for some west players. Many people already imported P3rd.
Well, still, there are monsters of P3rd that arent confirmed, like Amatsu, Akantor, Ukanlos and Zuwaroposu.
What I want is that Tri G have more difficulty. More challenging. P3rd level of difficulty was a complete joke. I want Tri G to be more challenging!

I could tell by just looking at portable third, that it seemed really easy.
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PostSubject: Re: MH3G speculations thread   Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:54 pm

MasterSword, you seem to have forgotten that 3G has also added new shadow physics, new water physics (and water was left at of p3rd all together due to PSP not being able to handle it), the monsters moves and hits ones have been redone an improved (making pretty much all the monsters new in several ways) the second shkalaka was added, the weapons were a bit revamped, the G rank was added giving a lot of new challenges and lots more weapons and armors, also the controls. There are so many things updated on the controls it would take a while to talk about that.

Soooo, I guess the main point I am trying to make is that even though there may be only a handful of new monsters (subspecies) with the upgrades and changes to them they are not the same monsters you are use to fighting from previous MH games. And with all the other additions to gameplay, looks and everything else it will be quite a new experience over any MH game you have ever played.
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PostSubject: Re: MH3G speculations thread   Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:00 pm

@dcj91x wrote:
MasterSword, you seem to have forgotten that 3G has also added new shadow physics, new water physics (and water was left at of p3rd all together due to PSP not being able to handle it), the monsters moves and hits ones have been redone an improved (making pretty much all the monsters new in several ways) the second shkalaka was added, the weapons were a bit revamped, the G rank was added giving a lot of new challenges and lots more weapons and armors, also the controls. There are so many things updated on the controls it would take a while to talk about that.

Soooo, I guess the main point I am trying to make is that even though there may be only a handful of new monsters (subspecies) with the upgrades and changes to them they are not the same monsters you are use to fighting from previous MH games. And with all the other additions to gameplay, looks and everything else it will be quite a new experience over any MH game you have ever played.
as always, dcj91x is absolutely right
what do you think? Should 3G be more challenging or should it be as easy as P3rd?
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PostSubject: Re: MH3G speculations thread   Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:11 pm

Capom has already stated the challenge in 3G will be unlike any of the other portable games. The low rank offline will be fairly simple, the high rank will be what you had online on Tri and G rank will basically be.... Well if you have never played G rank or even if you have 3G's G rank will be very challenging even with a full party of skilled players.
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PostSubject: Re: MH3G speculations thread   Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:16 pm

@ShadowCeadeusDM324 wrote:
as always, dcj91x is absolutely right
what do you think? Should 3G be more challenging or should it be as easy as P3rd?
It should be more challenging, but not in a cheap way. G-rank monsters should have only a small bit more damage than high rank ones, as well as a new set of moves for every monster. Rather than having 2HKO crap like in MHFU.
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PostSubject: Re: MH3G speculations thread   Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:42 am

dcj91x, I agree with all that you said, but I think that they have to put more new monsters too.
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PostSubject: Re: MH3G speculations thread   Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:51 am

^ Why? Technically this is not a fully new game. (though it really is in so so so many ways) It's a sequel to Tri but not a fully new game. When 4 comes out it should have all new monsters but 3G. No, a few more but not overloaded. With tri's monsters, p3rd's, and the new ones and subs in 3G it has a lot more than Tri or p3rd had and as already stated since the west never got p3rd if we do get 3G just about everything will be new to most people here. So, really with mh4 coming out in 2013 or possibly sooner and with 3G really being new in so many areas for so many areas (again is its released outside Japan) the amount of monsters is actually pretty good.

But for the very few in the west (and I say few because over all few people own PSP's and even fewer in the west overall imported p3rd compared to the actual number of people who play MH in the west.)
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PostSubject: Re: MH3G speculations thread   Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:22 pm

really this is the unite of the 3rd generation, adding only a few new monsters, some subspecies, and an entire G rank..
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PostSubject: Re: MH3G speculations thread   Sun Nov 20, 2011 4:17 pm

^huh?
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PostSubject: Re: MH3G speculations thread   Sun Nov 20, 2011 4:20 pm

@Chipou wrote:
really this is the unite of the 3rd generation, adding only a few new monsters, some subspecies, and an entire G rank..
QFT!

An expansion of Tri is all this should be thought of.
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PostSubject: Re: MH3G speculations thread   Sun Nov 20, 2011 4:35 pm

@1bighiccup wrote:
@Chipou wrote:
really this is the unite of the 3rd generation, adding only a few new monsters, some subspecies, and an entire G rank..
QFT!

An expansion of Tri is all this should be thought of.

I am totally okay with this. Tri was a good game. That said, it felt like it wasnt really completed. Hopefully they can make tri g feel more like a complete game with all the things they are adding to it.
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PostSubject: Re: MH3G speculations thread   Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:11 pm

I agree with hic. People are reading way too much into TriG. All it is is just an expansion of Tri for the 3DS. And like master said above this 3G should really complete what was lacking in Tri even though Tri was great IMO.
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PostSubject: Re: MH3G speculations thread   Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:16 pm

It r bideo gorm tat b betur tan da frist!!!!1!
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PostSubject: Re: MH3G speculations thread   Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:45 pm

@Ataraxia wrote:
It r bideo gorm tat b betur tan da frist!!!!1!

See? Atar gets it. Or Atar had a stroke while typing... but the point is this: Tri g, **** yeah!
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PostSubject: Re: MH3G speculations thread   Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:18 pm

Masterdlsj wrote:
@Ataraxia wrote:
It r bideo gorm tat b betur tan da frist!!!!1!

See? Atar gets it. Or Atar had a stroke while typing... but the point is this: Tri g, **** yeah!

ShumbdE clal nambul lance...
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PostSubject: Re: MH3G speculations thread   Sun Nov 20, 2011 8:59 pm

Unite was the combination of what Freedom 2 lacked with many added things. Lets see...
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All this was added in 2ndG. So, if Tri G is a combination of Tri and P3rd then we may see many things also.
Mind, we wont never see in Tri G as much content as in Unite. Why? Unite is the union of the 1st and 2nd Gen, everything of the both was in Unite. But Tri G is the Union of the 3rd Gen. the 3rd gen doesnt have as much as the first 2 together had. But the 3rd gen is the most successful gen until now.
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PostSubject: Re: MH3G speculations thread   Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:32 pm

HEre is a speculation for you. As of right now MH3G has had 310,000 preorders ahead of its December 10th release. They are expecting closer to 500,000 preorders by the release date and about 700,000 to be sold in the first week. So my speculation is that a lot of copies are going to be sold. Yea, pretty much a given but also good news for the West. The better the sales are in Japan the more likely both Capcom and Nintendo will be wiling to take a chance at releasing the game outside Japan. The higher profits will allow thems to take more of a risk at possibly losing profits if the game does not do as well in the west. However, I don't think we have anything to worry about 3G selling in the west. Another speculation. When 3G does come out in the west it will beat several sales records.
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PostSubject: Re: MH3G speculations thread   Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:27 am

@dcj91x wrote:
When 3G does come out in the west it will beat several sales records.

If I could find Tri's actual sales figures I could do real some maths on this...
SPECULATION TIME
As of 30th Spetember, the 3DS had shipped 4.65 million units outisde of Japan. Going with an estimate of next autumn for a possible western release date, we need to at least double that, plus add some for Xmas this year's sales. Make it 11 million units.

As of 30th September, the Wii had sold 77.45 million Units. (In the west)

Tri sold 690k units in the west up to 30th June 2010. Lets double it and add some...make it 1.5 million sales in the west (again, up to the autumn mark).

Unite has achieved just over the 1 million mark in sales, meaning Tri G is competeing against it's predecessor, Tri, to be the most sold MH game in the West.

What this gives us is a figure of 1.5 million for Tri G to beat. Now factor in that probably 60% of those who bought Tri are MH fans. Now consider that not everyone who bought Tri would like it, and so wouldn't consider more sales. Knock 200k of the number of Tri to Tri G buyers.

Next issue - not everyone with a Wii will buy a 3DS. This console change will probably knock anout...100k off the figure, as many people (including myself) will buy a 3DS primarily for MH3G. We're on sales of about 1.2 million to beat Tri.

Most people buying a 3DS are those moving on from a DS, and you cannot deny that the DS has an extremely large number of non-gamer owners, making up approximately 50% of ownership. Assume the same holds true for the 3DS, then we have about 5.5 million 3DS owners who would never consider buying the game.

This leaves us with 5.5 million owners, of which over 1.5 million need to buy the game. We only have 1.2 million "guaranteed" sales.

Think for a minute. We have 77.45 million Wiis. We only have 1.3 million Tri owners who like the game. The percentage of Wii owners with Tri who will consider buying Tri G is only 1.16%.

The short of it - Tri G beating Tri's Sales figures in the first 18 months looks like a long shot, in fact, the percentages give only 638000 units to be sold, but that is the worst I would expect it to do.

This is, of course, merely speculation.
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PostSubject: Re: MH3G speculations thread   Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:20 am

Leaving Japan out of this.... Nintendo has anounced (thanks in part to its price drop) the 3DS has in the US and EU in its 8 month since release already beat the first year sales of the DS. Toys R Us has the 3DS listed as one of the top toys for Christmas and the 3DS along with iPad are said to be the most wanted electronics for christmas this year. Which will increase the sales of the 3DS in the west massively.

Factor in games coming-out like Hero's of Ruin and seeing how their sales are and that may influence the sales of 3G by quite a bit. But again its all in speculation. Tri did a lot better than people thought it would, the 3DS started out a lot worse and when they said it wouldn't go anywhere it finally started getting good games and features and really took off.

only time and an actual western release will tell though.
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PostSubject: Re: MH3G speculations thread   Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:50 pm

3DS no good at start. True
We still have the next year to see if everything changes.
BAD SPECULATION
With the same numbers that hic said. Lets try with 3ds sales. Many people will/may only buy a 3DS for Tri G. meaning that of the game doesnt comes here, most of the people willing to buy a 3ds or just buyed the 3ds for triG will be very dissapointed. If this happens, maybe MH fanbase on the west will crumble a little, or in the worse, too much that they wont bring more MH games here... Well, that is the worst case scenario. Now we know that the game "may" come (since we dont have anything sure). tHE 3ds have more fans, meaning that 3G (and 4) will do great, but then we have the developers, directors that may not want to bring this here like they did to P3rd.
(QUESTION: Why P3rd never came here?)
Game speculation.
With most of the info in the touch screen, we may see new abilities that uses this unique feature. Take for example an ability that someone in Capcom-Unity mentioned, it was to have a HP display of the monster, but with the ability Attack Decrease(G), so we may also speculate about abilities (but abilities are way too much improbable)
And about the monsters... We have Bracchidios already, now we need the Elder dragon and a pair of normal monsters to people to be satisfied (and subspecies of P3rd monsters)
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PostSubject: Re: MH3G speculations thread   Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:29 pm

On the topic of new monsters, I don't think they're going to want to create a whole bunch of new monsters because it does take a while to code a new monster. The folks at Capcom had their hands full coding a new monster, new locations, and new weapons. Plus they had to transfer over all existing weapons and monsters, add new moves for the subspecies (not to mention their new colorings and new features). all in all I dont think they're going to have a BIG thing of new monsters. (Mom's telling me to get off, RAWR)
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