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PostSubject: A logical debate (Something extra announced)   Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:23 pm

There are currently 14 Monster Hunter Games released, only 6 of which have been released outside of Japan to the West. Now part of the reasoning that more MH games such as 3G are not being released to the west is their lack of popularity, well that is a bit confusing to me and here is why.

The first MH game to be released outside of Japan was Monster Hunter on the PS2. I don't really have much information on the sales in the West for this game. It was released in 2004 the next consol MH game for the west would not be released in the west Until 2010, 6 years later. Japan would get 4 other consol MH games before then.

The US would get 3 PSP games yes but lets face it consol games are always more popular (especially in the west) than portable systems.

The PSP sold roughly 30+ million units in EU/US regions (actually higher than that) but of course you would not exspect everyone who owns a PSP to buy MH as well. And Unite which was the last MH game to come out for the PSP was released in 2009. Over 3 years ago. The popularity of the PSP has been dieing down for a while so the sales of Unite I am sure were affected as well.

Now lets look at MHDH for the Iphone. Though no accurate information for it is listed, it has been given 117 reviews and 4 stars and online a lot of good reviews have been given to it. But of course it can't really account as a full MH game.

Any ways the point. The only current system that monster hunter has been released on outside of Japan has been the Wii with MHTri, and has sold 690,000 sales (US & EU combined) as of July 30, 2010. Lets compare that to other Wii exclusive games.

Tri released April 2010 and sold 690,000 copies in the US and EU in about 3 months. Super Mario Galaxy 2 was released in May/June 2010 and sold 1 million copies in the US in about 3 months. Roughly 400,000 copies more than the combined EU/US sales of tri in the same time frame around the same time. At first glance that may not seem impresive for Tri but when you think about it, that is actually really good.. Tri competed against Nintendos bigest seller and still sold well in the same time frame. Also tri was advertised a lot less and was more of a word of mouth type game in many areas mostly being advertised over the internet in many EU markets where SMG2 had a huge marketing ploy everywhere and was even sold with many systems.

So that leads me to the question. Why is 3G which is also on a Nintendo system not already being released in the west? The biggest response is that MH is not popular in the west. The only other system to really compare that to is another Nintendo system and the one game released in the west which is tri and it was over all pretty popular. Also with 3G being a direct sequal to tri and on a nintendo system as well you would think that it would also sale well. The 3DS has already sold over 4 Million Units in the US in less than a year (not sure about the EU sales) and MH4 is on it's way for the 3DS as well, wouldn't the release of 3G in the west have increased sales due to Tri from the Wii and wouldn't it also be a good time for a re-release of tri increasing sales of both games? Also wouldn't a western release of 3G also drum up popularity for future sales of MH4?


I would really like to hear others thoughts on this as well. I am sure I may be missing quite a bit and would like to know what. So thanks in advance.


I am also permiting talk on western releases of 3G here as long as it stays to why it would be a good reason and not just ("OMG I want this game" and "Capcom better release it here" and "They better add online").


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PostSubject: Re: A logical debate (Something extra announced)   Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:33 pm

i have my own theory but it's not one to share here. i'd like to talk to you about it tho dcj. how would you like me to send it to you?
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PostSubject: Re: A logical debate (Something extra announced)   Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:38 pm

imo they took too long for portable 3rd, and they should just stop on that ones localization and just focus on Tri G.
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PostSubject: Re: A logical debate (Something extra announced)   Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:43 pm

@It's meh wrote:
imo they took too long for portable 3rd, and they should just stop on that ones localization and just focus on Tri G.

I'm fairly sure they scrapped all plans to localize P3rd quite a while ago. The final decision regarding TriG will be taken soon, or might have already been taken.
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PostSubject: Re: A logical debate (Something extra announced)   Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:15 pm

I have another thought. How many hours have you played MH? I played around 1250h Tri and around 500h MHFU. I guess these playing times are quite usual for mh games. But very unusual compared to playing times of most other games [I said most, so please dont come with examples of other time consuming games Yes by vort].

So instead of playing [and buying/paying] several games, people buy one mh game and have fun with it for hundreds and hundreds of hours. From and economic point of view this means a loss of possible revenue/income for game publishers [even Capcom itself, which offers alot of other game brands beside MH].

On the other hand this point would also speak against a Japanese release of MH games. But that is perhaps where the customer differences come into consideration: Japanese people [in Japan games are a cultural/social phenomenon] still buy other games besides MH [and pay for playing MH Tri online], whereas the game purchases of western people playing mh decline while they play [and dedicate alot of time] to the game.

The decline of other games sold triggered by MH might not be that high, but it is probably one of the puzzle pieces Capcom, Sony and Nintendo consider while thinking about western releases of MH games.


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PostSubject: Re: A logical debate (Something extra announced)   Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:32 pm

@Nes wrote:
I have another thought. How many hours have you played MH? I played around 1250h Tri and around 500h MHFU. I guess these playing times are quite usual for mh games. But very unusual compared to playing times of other games.

So instead of playing [and buying/paying] several games, people buy one mh game and have fun with it for hundreds and hundreds of hours. From and economic point of view this means a loss of possible revenue/income for game publishers [even Capcom itself, which offers alot of other game brands beside MH].

On the other hand this point would also speak against a Japanese release of MH games. But that is perhaps where the customer differences come into consideration: Japanese people [in Japan games are a cultural/social phenomenon] still buy other games besides MH, whereas the game purchases of western people playing mh decline while they play [and dedicate alot of time] to the game.

I am sure this is not the main reason for the lack of western releases, but one of the important puzzle pieces considered by Capcom, Nintendo and Sony.



Very nice theory, but take this into consideration: Capcom sells games. It doesn't matter if they ONLY buy mh games, and not something else. It doesn't affect them, it affects every game BUT Monster hunter. That makes it possible for them to drag out any MH as long as they want.

Also, for some (MHFO and Tri at least, dunno about the rest), there is a monthly fee for online play. This means that the longer they let people play, the more people pay per monster hunter game. So it makes sense that they would drag games out (which makes it weird that the portable versions, which i believe do not have a monthly online fee, due to there not being online, have 3 ranks, compared to Tri's 2 ranks. MHFO seems to be unfinishable), in order to keep earning money for a game that is already 2 years old.

Think about it, tri is about 1,5 years old iirc. Most of us have played during almost all of it. Japanese players are known for being more absorbed into the game, so they would probably never take a long break, so they don't ever break off their subscription. Prices oughta be between 5-10 Dollars AT LEAST. 18x5=90 Dollars at the very minimum, which is almost twice the game price. PROFIT FOR CAPCOM.
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PostSubject: Re: A logical debate (Something extra announced)   Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:30 pm

@dcj91x wrote:

So that leads me to the question. Why is 3G which is also on a Nintendo system not already being released in the west? The biggest response is that MH is not popular in the west. The only other system to really compare that to is another Nintendo system and the one game released in the west which is tri and it was over all pretty popular. Also with 3G being a direct sequal to tri and on a nintendo system as well you would think that it would also sale well. The 3DS has already sold over 4 Million Units in the US in less than a year (not sure about the EU sales) and MH4 is on it's way for the 3DS as well, wouldn't the release of 3G in the west have increased sales due to Tri from the Wii and wouldn't it also be a good time for a re-release of tri increasing sales of both games? Also wouldn't a western release of 3G also drum up popularity for future sales of MH4?

Because EVERY MH fan knows that MH games, if localized, take a LONG time to become it.
Tri took what, one year? Unite took what, 8 months?
Just wait. This is the only current reason as to why 3G isn't localized yet.
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PostSubject: Re: A logical debate (Something extra announced)   Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:12 am

Capcom are terrified of money and success.
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PostSubject: Re: A logical debate (Something extra announced)   Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:41 am

Spoiler:
 

This showed up, possibly showing a release of portable 3rd in the US?

This can only be good news for Tri G.
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PostSubject: Re: A logical debate (Something extra announced)   Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:57 am

@It's meh wrote:
Spoiler:
 

This showed up, possibly showing a release of portable 3rd in the US?

This can only be good news for Tri G.
I hope to god that a vita release of P3rd means a PS3 release of P3rd HD otherwise I wont get to hunt a tiggy till MH4
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PostSubject: Re: A logical debate (Something extra announced)   Mon Jan 09, 2012 5:15 am

@Will wrote:
@It's meh wrote:
Spoiler:
 

This showed up, possibly showing a release of portable 3rd in the US?

This can only be good news for Tri G.
I hope to god that a vita release of P3rd means a PS3 release of P3rd HD otherwise I wont get to hunt a tiggy till MH4

Portable 3rd is a psp title, and it can be downloaded and played on the vita with camera control on the right analog stick.

:D

Hopefully it'll also be up for the PS3 as well.
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PostSubject: Re: A logical debate (Something extra announced)   Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:58 am

@Jader7777 wrote:
Capcom are terrified of money and success.
>money and success
>MH in the west
That was funny, dude.
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PostSubject: Re: A logical debate (Something extra announced)   Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:30 am

So this has been recently announced: http://asia.gamespot.com/forums/topic/28992107/monster-hunter-tri-g-releasing-in-useu-fall-2012-only-on-3ds


Let me add however that there has been a lot of FAKE magazine adds lately and rumors so don't take this to heart just yet.
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PostSubject: Re: A logical debate (Something extra announced)   Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:39 am

With online mutliplayer support,eh? /yes/
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PostSubject: Re: A logical debate (Something extra announced)   Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:02 pm

The "Logical Debate" Part of this is actually something Roik and many others have mentioned many times. It is difficult for many in the west to find other MH players close to them and the way the MH games are designed to do any of the city quests (well or for fun with others) you really have to have others to play with. In the west without "Online" you are kind of out of luck. Now the question is how much does the additional cost of "online" cost. You have to think not just about the coding for the game and the task it costs apon the system but the cost of the servers that will need to be bought and maintained for it, the cost of the people to monitor them and so on. Also will those servers ever be used for anything else or will they be basically for just that one game and how many different regions will you need servers for? The additional cost to add online into a game that has already been made spacifically to release the game in other regions could be quite high; the only reason to do so would be for an investment later on. Not just with that game series but possibly others as well. Or so I would believe.


Also upon closer inspection much of the articles information is from October, which would lead me to believe that this article like many of the others are just wishfull thinking. Again, in my opinion adding online to 3G would not be logical to do as it would probably much more cost effective to just add it into MH4 and either skip 3G as a western release all together or release it without it and promise "online" in MH4 as one of it's big selling points.
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PostSubject: Re: A logical debate (Something extra announced)   Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:51 pm

Well, if it's going to take us a while to get MH4, just like the situation here with Tri G, would there really be a time waiting difference for the western audience?


Awesome (hopefully) news btw.
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PostSubject: Re: A logical debate (Something extra announced)   Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:05 pm

^Honestly, if they skip 3G for the west, it is likely we could get MH4 a lot sooner than we normally would most other MH games. Instead of the "normal" 9 month wait we could actually see a close release of MH4 worldwide. Probably within a few months everywhere. But this is speculation of course based on how well 3G sold for this past christmas and again it all depends on if they do release 3G in the west or not. If they release it we will see the long wait for MH4, if they do Not release 3G we could possibly get MH4 at or close to the same time as Japan and with the addition of online play. But I would not get my hopes up as the only thing that has been said about MH4 yet is a winter 2012 release date in Japan which is subject to change.
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PostSubject: Re: A logical debate (Something extra announced)   Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:11 pm

Well, if they do decide to skip TriG, I'd be one sad little hunter...

However, if they aren't sure how well monster hunter fares in the west, I don't think that skipping Tri G would speed up MH4 since they are still questioning the number of buyers.

I for one don't mind the wait, tbh. I'm just happy to even get the game XD
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PostSubject: Re: A logical debate (Something extra announced)   Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:15 pm

^ Read my very first post.
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PostSubject: Re: A logical debate (Something extra announced)   Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:35 pm

Just read it....
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PostSubject: Re: A logical debate (Something extra announced)   Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:39 pm

@It's meh wrote:
Just read it....

Sad isn't it
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PostSubject: Re: A logical debate (Something extra announced)   Mon Jan 09, 2012 5:34 pm

One thing that would make sense if if Capcom did do this, they could get servers that could handle two games at once, ie. have them ready for MH4 before the game comes out. That would help with the cost thing, though part of me thinks if they did do this, the Japanese fanbase wouldn't be particularly happy.
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PostSubject: Re: A logical debate (Something extra announced)   Mon Jan 09, 2012 5:36 pm

^Agree on both the cost and the Japan players not being happy. But honestly when have they cared about us being happy?
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PostSubject: Re: A logical debate (Something extra announced)   Mon Jan 09, 2012 5:39 pm

quite the opposite, it's a devious plan to release a game once in a while so we will feel worse about all the rest!
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PostSubject: Re: A logical debate (Something extra announced)   Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:38 pm

@Arakune wrote:
@Jader7777 wrote:
Capcom are terrified of money and success.
>money and success
>MH in the west
That was funny, dude.

Like a fox.

The 3DS has little in the way of games, consumers are more than likely to pick up any title for the system, 'speshully if theres a huge dragon and swords on the front cover. If Capcom acts faster they could have the launch window monopoly.

I'm pretty sure the only reason they hesitate is because of already strained budgets they cope with after the GFC.
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