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PostSubject: Lance and switchaxe   Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:24 pm

First with the lance, It seems as if it is stronger than most weapons, for example, i can kill a royal ludroth faster with the agnaktors lance than i can with the wyvern blade long sword, both are fully upgraded. The long sword attacks faster, so i would imagine itd do way more damage, and with both weapons i am attacking pretty much the whole time. I have compared this with other monsters like the los, and different weapons, the lance beats them all except the hammer. Are they the 2 strongest types of weapons in the game? I do remember seeing it said somewhere.

Also with switch axes, I dont really use them, and not many others do either. Online i usually only see low ranks using them, almost all more experienced players dont use them either, what is it about them? Do they suck compared to other weapons in any way?
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PostSubject: Re: Lance and switchaxe   Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:35 pm

Don't take my word for it but I think SA is pretty good
With SA it seems I kill things faster, bit that's for me
And I think lance is pretty good due to high DPS, but I don't use so I wouldnt know
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PostSubject: Re: Lance and switchaxe   Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:42 pm

First of all, no weapon "sucks". Some weapons have indeed got the shorter stick of the damage formula, but your own affinity with the weapon should be more important than that.

Now, out of all weapons, the LS using dat red bar should do the most dps. However, you won't find yourself able to do that, due to monsters being...well monstery and all. The lance simply got the good end of the damage formula, and you can easily aim for the weaker body parts. Sns and swax are fairly unlucky, GS and hammer are okayish. This doesn't mean those weapons are bad, they still have their own perks. And once more, your own preference is the most important thing.

Aside from all that, some monsters are also more suited for some weapons. GS is rape on jhen for example, due to being able to hit jhen's cracks after they're broke. Hammer is pretty unique in having a "main" attack that stuns. Swax is the only weapon that can switch from a mobile mode for fast monsters, to a high DPS mode when they are stunned/whatever. Sns can react faster than any other weapon, which is great for just about anything. Also, who would like 4 of the same? That doesn't make you feel like cool hunters, now does it?

I'll leave BG's out of the equation, though they are often able to outdamage most anything (aside from a group of 3 lancers and a stat gunner).
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PostSubject: Re: Lance and switchaxe   Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:30 pm

^ what he said, but adding to that there are also cons for some of the "better" weapons. The lance has horrible mobility and is easily tripped by other hunters. The LS trips people a LOT, plus the way to do the higher dps with the LS only lasts for about a minute. The hammer can send people flying, the gs can upswing people, the swax trips and upswings people, the blowgun gives you with low defense and the sns doesn't do the most damage, so in conclusion the beat weapon is the one you use the best


But the lance is pretty broken
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PostSubject: Re: Lance and switchaxe   Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:54 pm

Lance is good if u wanna take on a charge by a barroth straight on sa is good for killin lagiacrus
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PostSubject: Re: Lance and switchaxe   Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:57 pm

From my experience from lance and SWAX, if you play with a team of LSers, SWAXers, or other lancers, theres a high chance of you being tripped every 5 seconds...
as for SWAXs, the only down side is the phials that you have to replace and the mobility in sword mode...
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PostSubject: Re: Lance and switchaxe   Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:29 am

@laoshanicrus wrote:
Lance is good if u wanna take on a charge by a barroth straight on sa is good for killin lagiacrus
Lance actually owns both of those monsters listed. XD
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PostSubject: Re: Lance and switchaxe   Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:13 am

@laoshanicrus wrote:
Lance is good if u wanna take on a charge by a barroth straight on sa is good for killin lagiacrus

I agree with meh, and you got it the other way around. Barroth is a fodder for SWAX while Lagiacrus died if a Lance user so much look at it funny.

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I think because HR players tend to be a team player (not randies) so they tend to use less SWAX or LS (unless its their main weapon or for the latter, when there's a barioth genocide to be done) to avoid tripping other player.

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PostSubject: Re: Lance and switchaxe   Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:29 am

LS is a DPS machine, if your killing a Luddy faster with a lance you must have more experience with it or have better aim. Using focus with LS will have spirit combo ready in five strikes or less, I get to yellow level on mobs before I reach the target monster. Once you become familiar with it you should be getting less than a min on Great Jaggi and around 2:30 on Luddy.

As far as SA goes its probably coincidence. I would say that my skill level with the SA is average but I am constantly coming across hunters who are five times my rank that upswing and burst every opportunity (I spend more time in the air than on the ground). It may be because of this horrible play pattern becoming the norm that SA is seeing a down trend. Another factor is the fact that there is no way to block so you are going to have to get evade and/or HGE. In high rank a raging Jho will kill you awfully quick. If you cant block and are unfamiliar with its patterns you will pay for it. Personally I have never hunted with a competent SA user and remain in prayer to meet someone who can change that. High power and quick attacks make it a monster for breaking parts, cutting tails, and flinch locking.
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PostSubject: Re: Lance and switchaxe   Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:36 am

@Bimasena009 wrote:
@laoshanicrus wrote:
Lance is good if u wanna take on a charge by a barroth straight on sa is good for killin lagiacrus

I agree with meh, and you got it the other way around. Barroth is a fodder for SWAX while Lagiacrus died if a Lance user so much look at it funny.

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I think because HR players tend to be a team player (not randies) so they tend to use less SWAX or LS (unless its their main weapon or for the latter, when there's a barioth genocide to be done) to avoid tripping other player.

I was once with a full party of LS users when fighting a los.

Everyone spammed the spirit combo causing los to trip CONSTANTLY to the point where he just couldn't move at all.

It's freakishly awesome what a few LS' can do if they keep going XD
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PostSubject: Re: Lance and switchaxe   Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:05 am

About that...4 guys with gleams can headlock los 100%

And with a lance, you should be able to get a 1:50 cap run on luddy.

Not saying the LS is bad...but lance is just so ridiculously good. Unless there's...people doing...things.
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PostSubject: Re: Lance and switchaxe   Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:45 am

Although the ludroth lance is first STRONG water weapon in game.you don't get good stuff like bolt axe (I use it) until later I used to lance until I lost autoguard lol ...off topic:could this be sheperd from the podcasts,just wondering
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PostSubject: Re: Lance and switchaxe   Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:06 am

Of all the weapons in the game, I think I use Swax the least. My reason are as follows:

1. If your not using a power phial swax, you are handicapping yourself.
2. If you are not using sword mode with a power phial, you are handicapping yourself.
3. If I should only be using sword mode, why not just use a GS instead?

In short, if you are not using Sword mode with Great Incadeus, you are handicapping yourself.

At that point, I'd rather just use my Anguish (P) GS and have the extra option to block if need be.

Lance on the other hand I love! Nothin better than Adrenaline Lancing. Such a feeling of power yet with a slight fear of carting.

Fun ways to lock a monster:
Four LSer spamming spirit combos is awesome! I refer to it as the blender effect.
Four GSers with Crit Draw and Punish Draw on Los. He never gets off the floor.
Four Clust gunners on Ala. Self Explanatory.
Two hammers and Two para weaps on Gaan. I just feel bad for him.
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PostSubject: Re: Lance and switchaxe   Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:56 am

Yes Lance is overpowered, that is why they reduced the counter poke's damage as well as removing a poke from the "poke, poke, poke *counter*" combo for 3rd (which I believe carries on to Tri G)

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PostSubject: Re: Lance and switchaxe   Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:51 pm

@laoshanicrus wrote:
Although the ludroth lance is first STRONG water weapon in game.you don't get good stuff like bolt axe (I use it) until later I used to lance until I lost autoguard lol ...off topic:could this be sheperd from the podcasts,just wondering

Autoguard ftw! Button pushing is for non-lazy people!

Also, no he's not the same dude. He talked about getting a name change because people confused them all the time Yes by vort.
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PostSubject: Re: Lance and switchaxe   Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:30 pm

Autoguard is for ppl who need a jumpstart I learned that and switched to ls then swax but I think lance has too high dps cause my friend and I killed a lagi in arena w two crystal lancess so yeeeeea
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PostSubject: Re: Lance and switchaxe   Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:43 pm

I personally use all weapons I mained switch axe until I was 150 it's such a hard weapon to use properly. I still struggle with it at times but that is because I am constantly switching weapons, and as for lance was the fastest weapon I picked up next to hammer. I almost always lance jho since it is so easy to poke it's stomach unless hunting with longsword users then it's a nightmare.
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PostSubject: Re: Lance and switchaxe   Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:44 pm

Am I the only one who finds evade lancing and switch-axing mildly similar playstyles? I mean, upwards slash, horizontal slash, downwards slash, repeat until there is need to sidestep (provided you have Evasion +1/+2). When the phial runs out, don't use the figure 8 attack, use the sidestep and profit.

Or am I using it wrong?

Anyway, I like the SA. It has great mobility even in Sword mode, because of the sidestep - which can be followed by a roll and then by a REALLY quick upwards slash. Also, Great Inceadeus is an awesome weapon in every way.
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PostSubject: Re: Lance and switchaxe   Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:12 pm

Lance is almost as simple as Bowgun.. A pretty boring weapon to me.
Swax is cool though
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PostSubject: Re: Lance and switchaxe   Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:41 am

why would swax suck on ala, of all things?
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PostSubject: Re: Lance and switchaxe   Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:51 am

I like to know too
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PostSubject: Re: Lance and switchaxe   Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:05 am

S.A. can take any monster down.......

I don't see what the SA is lacking in order to fight Alatreon, or Deviljho for that matter =S
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PostSubject: Re: Lance and switchaxe   Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:29 pm

@Stabster wrote:
It's in comparison to other weapons. For example, ice sns is more "fit" in fighting ala. Ala and jhen doesn't really fight like the other monsters.

I'm surprise more people like the sa, in the past, everyone said it sux.

Honestly you can use any weapon on all the monsters, but there are the "most fitted" weapons for fighting certain monsters. If you play arena a lot, you would understand what I mean. I have 3 or 4 arena tokens and completed all offline and online arena in S rank.

I'm thinking more in the tactic's perspective of effectiveness.


.... wha? I think you mean more overpowered weapons >.>. In the end it just bottles down to skill. If you aren't good with a weapon it won't be effective.

Like some Japanese dude broke Alatreon's Horns with an SnS
That kind of defies your "most fitted" idea o.O

You obviously don't know that a Lance does the same amount of damage to a Jhen.

also




I do not compute your idea on how LS is bad on Ala.... >.>


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