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PostSubject: Damagey Question   Wed May 09, 2012 2:00 pm

Against Agnaktor, which would you choose?

A. Heaven's Thunder with blue sharpness and 520 Thunder, or
B. Demonbind with green sharpness and 280 water?

Damage chart says Agn. is weakest to water, yes, but second weakest to thunder, and so to me, it seems the longsword is best here, especially with the sharpness on Ag's rocky hide--but am I missing something?
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PostSubject: Re: Damagey Question   Wed May 09, 2012 2:13 pm

Well, you're comparing two different weapon classes here, which makes it more of a user-preference question that a comparison. Use whatever you're more comfortable with. You'll always do best with your best weapon.

Also, when figuring damage, don't just look at the elemental power. There's also base damage and sharpness (which raises your damage the sharper it is). Heaven's Thunder is a longsword, so it naturally would have less base damage than a switch axe. It also attacks faster (hence the lower base damage, to equalize damage output). However, the longsword also has blue shapness and a much higher elemtal damage, combined with it's faster attacks and Spirit Blade attack bonus, making it a better choice overall than the Demonbind, against a moster where both weapons perform equally well. There are other cases in which Demonbind could be better.

The choice also depends on the monster you are fighting. In this case it is Agnaktor (personally my favorite monster). Agnaktor is a very large monster, but usually has a lot of moving attacks, making it harder to land long combos with the longsword. The switch axe hits harder, so if you can only land one or two hits per opportunity to attack, then the axe will do more damage since you can't land the combos with the longsword, being less able to take advantage of the weapon itself. I find it easier to use Switch Axe while fighting Agnaktor even though Longsword is my main weapon (Besides the fact that my best longsword, Dancing Flames, is a fire type, so I shouldn't use it anyway).

I can't really tell you what to use because I don't know your hunting style. Hopefully I've given you enough information to help you figure it out for yourself.
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PostSubject: Re: Damagey Question   Wed May 09, 2012 2:24 pm

@pabodie wrote:
Against Agnaktor, which would you choose?

A. Heaven's Thunder with blue sharpness and 520 Thunder, or
B. Demonbind with green sharpness and 280 water?

Damage chart says Agn. is weakest to water, yes, but second weakest to thunder, and so to me, it seems the longsword is best here, especially with the sharpness on Ag's rocky hide--but am I missing something?

Thunder isn't the second weakness, it's ice.

And second, heaven's thunder has a higher damage output since it has a better sharpness level and higher true raw.
The element between the two is a big difference though.

And LS at full bar and red glow will out damage Demon bind easily.

Sharpness won't help on agy's hide, unless your sharpness is purple and you use certain attacks that can raise your sharpness (GS lvl 3 charge and long sword full bar)
Wait for agy to heat up so you can cut at it, unless you break him up, you really shouldn't be hitting a hardened agy since it reduces your damage with its high defenses.

Granted both weapons can attack agy without fear of teh bounce, it's just not advisable to do so.


This is all just completely numbers and words, as in you'd have to fully be able to use these weapons equally.

End the end, you have different choices:
Wait and prepare to have better weapons instead of just rushing in unprepared (for example, you can hunt off some barioth with that Heavens thunder to get some materials for ice weapons)
Go in with Heavens thunder or demon bind and do better depending on how well you perform with each weapon. (If done correctly, Heavens thunder will out power demon bind completely)
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PostSubject: http://monsterhunter.wikia.com/wiki/Agnaktor   Wed May 09, 2012 2:31 pm

Never mind! I figured this part out by reading more closely. =)


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PostSubject: Re: Damagey Question   Wed May 09, 2012 2:32 pm

@It's meh wrote:
Thunder isn't the second weakness, it's ice.

I use Tough Break (B) on Agnaktor so Thunder never really mattered to me. :D

And I probably should get started on that Thunderclap. :|
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PostSubject: Re: Damagey Question   Wed May 09, 2012 2:44 pm

@pabodie wrote:
Wow guys, thanks! Question on the elemental weakness, though:

http://monsterhunter.wikia.com/wiki/Agnaktor

Is this wrong where it shows thunder as a bigger weakness than ice, or am I misunderstanding it?

Again, thanks for your thoughtful answers.

Well, it only shows that thunder is bigger than ice on the head when agy is soft, but here it doesn't.
There aren't really differences in elemental effectiveness when agnaktor is in armor mode or soft mode.

So you're probably understanding a bit, but at the same time you aren't looking hard enough.
You understand that a higher number is better, but you weren't looking at other parts of the monster to see the other differences.
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PostSubject: Re: Damagey Question   Wed May 09, 2012 3:43 pm

if you are talking about the low rank demonbind vs a high rank weapon like heaven's thunder is clearly the heaven's thunder.
on the other hand if you mean great demonbind, I'd say it's better for agnak.
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PostSubject: Re: Damagey Question   Wed May 09, 2012 4:36 pm

GI and sharq

Gi's easier to get and better on most monsters than great demonbind

Sharq is the outright best ls (*IMHO*)

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PostSubject: Re: Damagey Question   Wed May 09, 2012 4:52 pm

@Ultimate Jaggi wrote:
GI and sharq

Gi's easier to get and better on most monsters than great demonbind

Sharq is the outright best ls (*IMHO*)

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