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PostSubject: Weapon + Armour of choice for Alatreon+?   Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:01 am

The events change today at 9pm and one is Alatreon+, I need skypiercers and dragongems from Alatreon, but "The Brilliant Darkness" Alatreon has low drop rates for that stuff.

So, I was wondering, what's my best bet for weapon and armour.

I don't have much zenny nor much equipment. But this is what I currently have

Full Agnaktor+ (Blademaster)

Full Vangis (Gunner)

Helios+ helm

Helios+ mail

Helios+ vambrace

Helios coil

Vangis greaves

Alatreon Gleam

Thundacrus rex, Rathling gun+, Chaos wing (Bowgun)

Dark Claw

Wyvern Blade "Flare"

Amber Hoarfrost

Jhen Mohran hammer

Alatreon Hammer (Trying to get metamorph)

Morpheus Knife (For sleep runs)

Spiral Slash (G)

And a bunch of talismans (If I named them all and their abilities, I'd be here all day).

I don't mind farming for better stuff for Alatreon, if that is totally necessary, but I'd just like to know if any of this could be combined into a good set.
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PostSubject: Re: Weapon + Armour of choice for Alatreon+?   Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:02 am

Oh, and I think I have Dober Coil (Or greaves), but dober is gonna be my transporting equipment.
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PostSubject: Re: Weapon + Armour of choice for Alatreon+?   Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:10 am

first,please don't double post,just edit ur first one,second id go with aggy+ and the ala gleam
if your going for bladimg him.but vangis if your gunning
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PostSubject: Re: Weapon + Armour of choice for Alatreon+?   Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:56 am

Sorry double post.


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PostSubject: Re: Weapon + Armour of choice for Alatreon+?   Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:57 am

Update: Just got great demonbind (P). Not that it'd be useful...
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PostSubject: Re: Weapon + Armour of choice for Alatreon+?   Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:02 am

Water/ice you should be concerned with. I would go blade master looking at your gear a helios mix with great demonbind is your best option.
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PostSubject: Re: Weapon + Armour of choice for Alatreon+?   Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:05 am

This is my blademaster set for anything except lancing.

Helios+ Helm

Helios+ Chest

Helios+ Vambraces

Helios Coil

Vangis Greaves

Talisman with Current res Lo and speed sharpening (SS needs gemming)

Sharpness+1
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Current Resistance Low
Speed Sharpening

For Alatreon, I generally use Amber Hoarfrost because it's effective for when he's on the ground, if I can't be bothered I use dark claw or lance with full agna+ and alatreon gleam.

But I feel Alatreon+ will be a LOT harder...
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PostSubject: Re: Weapon + Armour of choice for Alatreon+?   Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:07 am

Great demonbind p and great inceadeus both outdamge amber hoarfrost I learned this long ago.
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PostSubject: Re: Weapon + Armour of choice for Alatreon+?   Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:34 am

Not to mention Alatreon is equally weak to Water and Ice on the ground...
Just use Great Inceadeus. Amber Hoarfrost's Element Phial is a shame, and will in either case still get divided by 10. So it's essentially a 2.5% boost, while with the Power Phial you'll get plenty more wallop, especially if you spam Sword Mode's double-vertical slash, which is the most efficient combo of the SA.
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PostSubject: Re: Weapon + Armour of choice for Alatreon+?   Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:20 pm

Actually, ice is his top weakness on the ground.

Fire in the air.
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PostSubject: Re: Weapon + Armour of choice for Alatreon+?   Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:27 pm

@GrashXL002 wrote:
Actually, ice is his top weakness on the ground.

Fire in the air.

wasnt it dragon in the air?

I recomend you use deus, HGE its helpful, watch out for the fireballs and good luck

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PostSubject: Re: Weapon + Armour of choice for Alatreon+?   Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:36 pm

@Yuki wrote:
Great demonbind p and great inceadeus both outdamge amber hoarfrost I learned this long ago.
Demon bind P is actually not that much better than the hoarfrost, really...

Great Inceadus does quite a bit better than both because of that power phial XD

Mr Stark wrote:
Not to mention Alatreon is equally weak to Water and Ice on the ground...
No it's not.. Who the heck told you this?

There's literally a .05 difference between them in every hitzone.
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PostSubject: Re: Weapon + Armour of choice for Alatreon+?   Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:58 pm

True but if you go even deeper he might as well use black harvest since it's no much different in damage. Great inceadeus is top of it's class at least against alatreon followed by great deminbind p
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PostSubject: Re: Weapon + Armour of choice for Alatreon+?   Sat Oct 27, 2012 1:12 am

Start using facts, PLEASE. You're starting to sound like US politicians. Or worse, US political commentators. I can't wait until - crap, they'll still be going on at least a week after the election.


Here's some data comparing the various Swax.
Spoiler:
 
tl;dr version:
  1. Great Inceadeus, hands down. No surprise.
  2. Thunderstrike (P) Yes, you read that right.
  3. Amber Hoarfrost
  4. Great Demonbind (P)
2nd, 3rd, and 4th are pretty close, and could move around based on buffs and armor skills. Black Harvest shouldn't be in the conversation at all - there are 4 clearly better choices available, and Hoarfrost is pretty easy to get before reaching Ala (don't need anything rare like the other two). And after Ala, get G. Inceadeus immediately, since that is usually the #1 or #2 switch-axe on any monster.

Who knew? I didn't til now. Proof that Power Phial trumps all. Q.E.D.
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PostSubject: Re: Weapon + Armour of choice for Alatreon+?   Sat Oct 27, 2012 1:25 am

How accurate is it though from my understanding using the physical damage formula has always worked best. Also which mode are you working with? Ivknow you are trying to help and you probably have been more helpful thanvall ofbus I just don't have easy access to it since I am on android only.
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PostSubject: Re: Weapon + Armour of choice for Alatreon+?   Sat Oct 27, 2012 4:20 am

Ah, sorry. My bad about the Water/Ice thing.
In any case, 280 Water isn't much anyway, it's more of an extra push than anything else.
That doesn't change that Alatreon is weak to it on the ground, as well as other monsters.
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PostSubject: Re: Weapon + Armour of choice for Alatreon+?   Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:52 am

Yes, the water from G. Inceadeus is an extra push. Let's put it this way - if G. Inceadeus had no element, it STILL would be the best switch axe against Ala. Ala's weaknesses when on the ground aren't that weak (0.2 is his weakest point - that's about 2/3 to half of the weakest point on most other monsters). He just doesn't take a lot of elemental damage. With G. Inceadeus, the water adds about 3 pts of damage per hit (7 pts in the Overhead/Rising slash combo). It's about 10% of the total damage.
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PostSubject: Re: Weapon + Armour of choice for Alatreon+?   Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:25 am

Hey are all these just going on sword mode values? just curious because there is more than one mode to them.
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PostSubject: Re: Weapon + Armour of choice for Alatreon+?   Sat Oct 27, 2012 11:15 am

I'm going with Great Demonbind P because I can't be bothered to do another 50 Ceadeus for a couple of furs.
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PostSubject: Re: Weapon + Armour of choice for Alatreon+?   Sat Oct 27, 2012 11:17 am

Actually, I think I'm gonna use the Amber Hoarfrost, 40% affinity, low damage, but ice element and that's Alatreon's top weakness on the ground. I'm bringing flash bombs anyway to try and minimize his time in the air. Plus, it's for nostalgia because I used the Amber Hoarfrost when I did the urgent Yes by vort
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PostSubject: Re: Weapon + Armour of choice for Alatreon+?   Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:49 pm

I first killed alatreon with a overlevled lagiacrus set with the jhen sword and sheild. If you are going for a type of weapon, I'd recommend the ice type. Also, don't use ian+.
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PostSubject: Re: Weapon + Armour of choice for Alatreon+?   Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:07 pm

@GrashXL002 wrote:
Actually, I think I'm gonna use the Amber Hoarfrost, 40% affinity, low damage, but ice element and that's Alatreon's top weakness on the ground. I'm bringing flash bombs anyway to try and minimize his time in the air. Plus, it's for nostalgia because I used the Amber Hoarfrost when I did the urgent Yes by vort

It doesn't help much because even if you bring it down with Flash Bombs, his elemental weaknesses remain the same until it changes them at its own will. Well, not WILL, but you know what I mean.

And when Ala is on air mode, it takes about no Ice damage at all.
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PostSubject: Re: Weapon + Armour of choice for Alatreon+?   Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:30 pm

@Yuki wrote:
Hey are all these just going on sword mode values? just curious because there is more than one mode to them.

Yeah, I was primarily going off sword mode, since you'd be doing more damage in sword mode than axe. Again, when comparing damage, I thought it best to look at a likely target using the best attacks available. If you wanted to compare based on using the axe mode on Ala's wings, yeah, you could do that and get different results. But you're not going to be optimizing your damage output doing that.


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@GrashXL002 wrote:
Actually, I think I'm gonna use the Amber Hoarfrost, 40% affinity, low damage, but ice element and that's Alatreon's top weakness on the ground. I'm bringing flash bombs anyway to try and minimize his time in the air. Plus, it's for nostalgia because I used the Amber Hoarfrost when I did the urgent Yes by vort

It doesn't help much because even if you bring it down with Flash Bombs, his elemental weaknesses remain the same until it changes them at its own will. Well, not WILL, but you know what I mean.

And when Ala is on air mode, it takes about no Ice damage at all.

Actually, it's exactly 0 Ice damage. And very little Water damage. Takes a load of Fire and Dragon, but considering he's spends more time in the Ice/Water weakness mode than the Dragon/Fire weakness mode, it's usually better to pick an Ice or Water weapon.

I actually prefer to keep Ala in the air - his tail spends a lot of time at ground level, so I'm usually hacking at it while he does his ice breath attack. Plus when he goes into the sky to rain icicles, I use that time to replenish my stamina/health/sharpness/cool drink/buffs/etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Weapon + Armour of choice for Alatreon+?   Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:22 am

I usually use Ice lance with full agna+ and skills: guard+2, evade+1, razor sharp, guard up(for the fireball).
Amyway, use an ice or water weapon /yes/
Good Luck and Have fun
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PostSubject: Re: Weapon + Armour of choice for Alatreon+?   Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:36 pm

@Dar wrote:
I usually use Ice lance with full agna+ and skills: guard+2, evade+1, razor sharp, guard up(for the fireball).
Amyway, use an ice or water weapon /yes/
Good Luck and Have fun

Too late, killed him about 10 times.
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