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PostSubject: Is it worth my trouble to upgrade my Carapace Hammer?   Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:34 pm

See topic.

I am considering upgrading my Carapace Hammer to a Carapace Hammer +.

However, doing so would use the following:

Three Barroth Ridges (easy enough to get more, and besides, I currently have 12)
Two Uragaan Scutes (I only have two, BTW - and am willing to farm him)
One Mega Demondrug (I currently only have one)

The Carapace Hammer + has an Attack of 832, good green sharpness (both better than the Attack and sharpness of the Jupiter's Sphere I currently wield), but an affinity punishment of -5%.

Given that information, should I upgrade to the Carapace Hammer +?
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PostSubject: Re: Is it worth my trouble to upgrade my Carapace Hammer?   Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:42 pm

-5% affinity isn't a huge deal, so about 1 out of 20 attacks gets a negative affinity punishment, the raw damage and such is enough to make it worth it. And uragaan scutes aren't a big deal.
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PostSubject: Re: Is it worth my trouble to upgrade my Carapace Hammer?   Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:32 pm

Definitely upgrade. The Carapace already has -5% affinity, so it's not like the Carapace+ is worse for affinity.

Plus, it'll later upgrade into the Jade Barroth series, which are probably the best Ice Hammers in the game. And they don't have any affinity loss.
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PostSubject: Re: Is it worth my trouble to upgrade my Carapace Hammer?   Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:45 pm

Thanks - I already upgraded it.

Now, I need to capture Uragaan...
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PostSubject: Re: Is it worth my trouble to upgrade my Carapace Hammer?   Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:42 pm

Get Uragaan hammer. It's the best in the game. Hammer's element is so small it's not worth it. Raw would be best because hammer doesn't get elemental benefits like GS does.
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PostSubject: Re: Is it worth my trouble to upgrade my Carapace Hammer?   Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:53 am

@Sai_ wrote:
Get Uragaan hammer. It's the best in the game. Hammer's element is so small it's not worth it. Raw would be best because hammer doesn't get elemental benefits like GS does.

Not even close , best Slime weapon maybe ....
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PostSubject: Re: Is it worth my trouble to upgrade my Carapace Hammer?   Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:46 am

Uragaan's hammer has 1508 raw with purple sharpness in conjunction with sharpness +1. It IS the best in the game. The slime is only obtainable through awaken; good luck getting a set with hge, sharpness +1, and awaken.
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PostSubject: Re: Is it worth my trouble to upgrade my Carapace Hammer?   Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:56 am

@Sai_ wrote:
Uragaan's hammer has 1508 raw with purple sharpness in conjunction with sharpness +1. It IS the best in the game. The slime is only obtainable through awaken; good luck getting a set with hge, sharpness +1, and awaken.

In Raw yes ,but Raw is not the only you want on hammer, you said hammer have low element .When you use hammer like charge , groundsmash , charge , groundsmash then ofc you dont do much elemental. there are options like triple hit reset triple hit or charge , whirlwind , charge , whirlwind to "abuse" high element stats from Hammer like Dire Miralis . when the Monster have a significant element weakness you want the "best" element Hammer and not the most Raw Hammer otherwise you want to never change Weapon and only Support with K.O.s , same Logic like Slime , ppl play Slime because its effective vs all Monsters and you dont need to change your weapon ever .
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PostSubject: Re: Is it worth my trouble to upgrade my Carapace Hammer?   Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:34 am

@Darklinghunter wrote:
@Sai_ wrote:
Uragaan's hammer has 1508 raw with purple sharpness in conjunction with sharpness +1. It IS the best in the game. The slime is only obtainable through awaken; good luck getting a set with hge, sharpness +1, and awaken.

In Raw yes ,but Raw is not the only you want on hammer, you said hammer have low element .When you use hammer like charge , groundsmash , charge , groundsmash then ofc you dont do much elemental. there are options like triple hit reset triple hit or charge , whirlwind , charge , whirlwind to "abuse" high element stats from Hammer like Dire Miralis . when the Monster have a significant element weakness you want the "best" element Hammer and not the most Raw Hammer otherwise you want to never change Weapon and only Support with K.O.s , same Logic like Slime , ppl play Slime because its effective vs all Monsters and you dont need to change your weapon ever .

Slime will have a high damage out put, but elemental weakness will STILL out damage it in the end. Slime is an excellent choice for monsters you have nothing else to use against, or if you're playing in a group just to farm a monster an you all use slime to minimize quest time. I've honestly gotten to the point where I tend to frown upon people using slime in my rooms, I'd prefer people use a good elemental weapon for the particular monster.
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PostSubject: Re: Is it worth my trouble to upgrade my Carapace Hammer?   Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:43 pm

@Darklinghunter wrote:

In Raw yes ,but Raw is not the only you want on hammer, you said hammer have low element .When you use hammer like charge , groundsmash , charge , groundsmash then ofc you dont do much elemental. there are options like triple hit reset triple hit or charge , whirlwind , charge , whirlwind to "abuse" high element stats from Hammer like Dire Miralis . when the Monster have a significant element weakness you want the "best" element Hammer and not the most Raw Hammer otherwise you want to never change Weapon and only Support with K.O.s , same Logic like Slime , ppl play Slime because its effective vs all Monsters and you dont need to change your weapon ever .

Okay, you don't even know what you are talking about. Monster Hunter isn't about spam (with the exception of Kelbi Bow). Just because a monster is weak to an element doesn't mean your weapon must correspond to that element. Hammer in this game heavily relies on high attack raw with a high level of purple sharpness. The fact that Grongigas Hammer has the highest raw, purple sharpness, and the bonus of having slime with awaken makes it the best hammer. Spamming attacks with element on hammer is ineffective; the only two hammers with purple sharpness, fairly high raw, and crazy high element is Alatreon and Dire Miralis, but even then, just because monsters are weak to an element doesn't mean they are EXTREMELY weak to element. Alatreon hammer should be used on Rathian and Rathalos because their head is extremely weak to dragon. You should be focused on obtaining this hammer if you plan on hammering. With hammer, once you KO the monster, you should be triple pounding the area weakest to impact damage, such as Ivory Lagiacrus' tail, or Deviljho's stomach. This is coming from a well seasoned hammer user that had well over 6,000 hunts with hammer. Your advice equals that to someone who probably never played Monster Hunter before or never understood how weapons are most effective and how effective they are when Capcom changes game mechanics (for example, the GS in Tri was all about high raw, but the GS in 3U heavily relies on element becuase it gets a 300% element bonus on level 3 charge.) The Grongigas Hammer is the best hammer in the game.
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PostSubject: Re: Is it worth my trouble to upgrade my Carapace Hammer?   Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:39 am

@Sai_ wrote:
@Darklinghunter wrote:

In Raw yes ,but Raw is not the only you want on hammer, you said hammer have low element .When you use hammer like charge , groundsmash , charge , groundsmash then ofc you dont do much elemental. there are options like triple hit reset triple hit or charge , whirlwind , charge , whirlwind to "abuse" high element stats from Hammer like Dire Miralis . when the Monster have a significant element weakness you want the "best" element Hammer and not the most Raw Hammer otherwise you want to never change Weapon and only Support with K.O.s , same Logic like Slime , ppl play Slime because its effective vs all Monsters and you dont need to change your weapon ever .

Okay, you don't even know what you are talking about. Monster Hunter isn't about spam (with the exception of Kelbi Bow). Just because a monster is weak to an element doesn't mean your weapon must correspond to that element. Hammer in this game heavily relies on high attack raw with a high level of purple sharpness. The fact that Grongigas Hammer has the highest raw, purple sharpness, and the bonus of having slime with awaken makes it the best hammer. Spamming attacks with element on hammer is ineffective; the only two hammers with purple sharpness, fairly high raw, and crazy high element is Alatreon and Dire Miralis, but even then, just because monsters are weak to an element doesn't mean they are EXTREMELY weak to element. Alatreon hammer should be used on Rathian and Rathalos because their head is extremely weak to dragon. You should be focused on obtaining this hammer if you plan on hammering. With hammer, once you KO the monster, you should be triple pounding the area weakest to impact damage, such as Ivory Lagiacrus' tail, or Deviljho's stomach. This is coming from a well seasoned hammer user that had well over 6,000 hunts with hammer. Your advice equals that to someone who probably never played Monster Hunter before or never understood how weapons are most effective and how effective they are when Capcom changes game mechanics (for example, the GS in Tri was all about high raw, but the GS in 3U heavily relies on element becuase it gets a 300% element bonus on level 3 charge.) The Grongigas Hammer is the best hammer in the game.


ok i really dont know the Mechanic changes from Tri to 3U because i never get information about it or found something . Since Tri i played Hammer to HR 300 and playing on High Raw & High Element and not Highest Raw , it was in the most situation the best Option , so i trought they dont changed the Mechanic because its only MH3G .
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PostSubject: Re: Is it worth my trouble to upgrade my Carapace Hammer?   Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:51 am

Tri never had good elemental hammers.
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PostSubject: Re: Is it worth my trouble to upgrade my Carapace Hammer?   Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:38 am

I agree with Sai but not entirely. Grongigas Hammer is best hammer in the game under right circumstances. It require certain skills like Sharpness+1 and Awaken. Without them it's really not that great and it's high raw means nothing as it's basic sharpness level is blue. Miralis hammer on the other hand have natural purple sharpness, don't need awaken and have pretty high element. If you compare both hammers without supporting skills Miralis and Alatreon's hammer outshines Grongigas Hammer entirely. With those two you can focus on other skills which're not that hard to obtain on one set as S+1 and awaken. You can gem in razor sharp, evade, focus and others. But yes, with S+1, Awaken Grongigas Hammer is generally better then everything and to insult the injury it have slime and overall is easy to obtain in game.
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