Why so much hate? ( Kelbi Bow )

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So, no one likes, it, it's 'overpowered' and makes the use of a bow a button spam.

However think practically here people,

When fighting a fire monster, you take what? ice.. or water? or whatever that helps SPEED UP KILLING IT.

The kelbi bow succeeds in killing things quicker, so why the hate?
Do you feel hard done by that you've learnt the bow like a master and hate seeing people use it easily? get off your elitist high horse and open your mind

Or do you hate the fact youdon't have it yet?

Why knock something that makes hunting that little bit easier, if I'm going to grind 500 lagia's for a mantle or a sapphire, I'm not going to make the quest last a few minutes longer to satisfy my damned ego that " i didn't make the quest easier, instead, I'm hardxcore and made it harder by using a bone weapon !! "


It just seems some of you have some kind of 'hipster' hate toward a bow that speeds up the process of grinding?

If you don't find it satisfying, sure, don't use it, but don't go around " OMG ITS FOR NABS ITS TOO EZ TO USE "
I don't find great swording satisfying, so I just don't use it.

Stop complaining, and let people choose what they want.

I'm pretty sure I've seen more NON kelbi bow users then I have that use it.
Not to mention in Tri, who didn't use ala weapons to make life easier?
So why moan about this bow? It's not easy for some to obtain, not to mention you'll need lagia g rank armour to make it actually worth using, and gem in destroyer and bombardier reguires the right talisman and likely a rath ruby for decoration.

It's not like you start the game with it.

WHY ALL THE HATE.
*DEFENDERS OF THE KELBI BOW*

Yes I use it, but I'll also take my dual blades and hunting horn too :D

I'm stating that because most people don't know...

Did a bit of playing around with lucent narga last night while forging his HH.

And we found that if I used SNEAK + Kelbi and they used para weapons + Traps
I was practically untouched and free to spam with the bow,
I literally was hit once? by them spikes.
We chopped off 2-3 minutes off an already short 6-7 minute run with me using the HH.

Thats a huge improvement.

Kelbi on it's own, does not suck if used with the right team with a bit of co-operation.
Sure I was able to have a drink, chat to my partner and not focus while just spamming the button and that'll anger some people.

But I use it, so I can get the mats i need easier, for the weapons I DO want to hunt with and have fun with, It's not a case of" I've done all the monsters first with the kelbi " because I don't care, I'll get the weapons I want, and then hunt what I want, that's where the fun is for me!

Haters gonna hate.

It's so funny how some people (not saying anyone here does it XD) say that slime is overpowered. Maybe it is, maybe not, but then they try to get the best G rank weapons that are our there. Why? Because they want to be more powerful. Apparently there is a set amount of damage/sharpness/elemental for weapons, and if a weapon exceeds in some of those categories, it is OP. /no/ Never has made any sense, but then again, people always need SOMETHING to complain about, right? I mean, there has never been a game where not at least some people complain about it. After all, it's just human nature to complain if you don't like something.

Slime is not enough to complain about. I heard somewhere that now people complains even about Helios Z armor for being OP.

The main problem with Slime weapons is they create a disruption that up until this point in MH hasn't -really- existed. I'm not on the bandwagon saying I hate slime weapons, but I have only used mine a few times and will only use it on rare occasion offline because it (to me) seems like too much power in a weapon that is rather easy to get to. I use mostly Gunlances atm, and it was by complete accident that I was able to make my slime gunlance.

A friend and I were clearing that urgent online and after just doing it the two times I was able to upgrade my lance to a slime version. It is rare that I only two runs of any monster to upgrade my weapons once I reach high rank. Almost all of them require 2 of something that is an uncommon/rare drop or they require 3+ tails where I HAVE to run it at least 3 times and hope for a tail carve on tail each time. From the point I was at right then when I made it, it had one of the highest if not the highest raw damage of any weapon I could make. Its slime rating was also higher then most of my elemental GLs, so it instantly became the only GL I needed because it did consistently higher damage when you consider the explosions.

Which is why I tend not to want to use mine much because I like the point of hunting lots of monsters to build a weapon of each element, and using them. If I am supporting i'll swap out to Para or Poison GLs, but I mostly stick to my elemental ones. Though I won't dig on others using slime weapons as I am sure once my friend can make his it will be all he uses aside from his Para LS.

The bow just adds insult to injury for some beause it spams well, and with some basic know how on dodging you can win a fight without getting touched.

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Ares wrote:

Anonymin wrote:

Ares wrote:

I'm just getting tired of looking at the slime weapons. There's and assload of weapons in the game, yet you almost always see slime. I can't tell you how many myxo demolishers I've seen...

This. This is why I hate slime weapons. I don't think it's for noobs or you are bad at the game by using them, but some variety once in a while would be nice.

Exactly. We saw a guy who said the only weapons he had were slime weapons... Does it not get boring??

Not really, lol. To me it's just another element to use. I always go for the best weapons in the game. Slime is now one of the best weapons to use. i treat it like I do any other weapon when fighting a monster. I use whatever the monster is weakest too, but in the case of slime, i use it a lot when im going for a certain item to break parts. I get bored of using the same type of weapon too often, which is why I learned to use all weapons.

Tho, my Kelbi set is ready to abuse some monsters when the time comes. HGE, Awaken, Partbreaker, Speed Sheathe, and Bombardier..my oh my.

Antari18 wrote:

Slime is not enough to complain about. I heard somewhere that now people complains even about Helios Z armor for being OP.

Wow, they just can't get enough to complain about. I'd like to see everyone that complains about things being overpowered, to solo every G rank quest with low rank armor and the Iron Sns.

EDIT - after all, those are not overpowered. Or are they? Are they going to start complaining about those being overpowered too?

As stated earlier.. I don't think it's always about the weapon/armor it's self but often how it's used and the mindset/reason for using the weapon.

In Tri, jho and ala weapons were very powerful along with the armors.. and LS were very widely used. Most of the time though they were good weapons and easy for biginers to use they were not always used properly or to their fullest exstent in a group, which often hindered or frustraited the other members of the group.

The same could be said about the slime weapons. Yes they are powerful, but they are also not always used correctly nor are they always the best for groups or PLAYING AS A TEAM.

Think about those you are playing with as well... are you joining a group or are they joining yours? How do you interact with each other. When some is or is not using slime do you automatically act negatively towards them or explain to them why you are or not using it on that hunt?

Not everyone will respond kindly or see things the same way as you but to keep the "hate" down and raise the level of understanding and respect for people who have different veiws.. it has to start somewhere, why not with all of us?

I have to admit,
I've only ever seem slime abuse ( You can stop it if you act now! )
on the net,

In game?

Only people I've seen use the kelbi bow in particular is me and 2-3 other friends who made it with me, I think only one other person I've ran into had it.

Everyone had their own stuff, or a minority had slime weapons.
Also, that minority? were all NEW players after talking to them and a low HR.
Everyone say 50 or above? used elements, or status weps.


Seems to be a trend of young, new ,inexperienced players to use it.

I understand about the whole 'mindset' behind it, but everyone who complains about it, even the slightest, is a hypocrite to every game they've ever played.
because in every game, you always go for what makes the game easier, be it the faster route, or the strongest weapon.

And this helios z being OP? no, it's not, it's just mainstream, whatevers' mainstream is classed as OP.

It's easy to obtain, and damn decent for an easy to obtain G rank armour, I'm still in it at the moment untill i get prime set, nether and what not set's are prefereable to me personally, so i'll be in helios z awhile!

Holy crap there is an enormous uprising of Kelbi bow usage. Every one I've encountered in g rank rooms has a Nox X + kelbi bow set

Sai_ wrote:

Holy crap there is an enormous uprising of Kelbi bow usage. Every one I've encountered in g rank rooms has a Nox X + kelbi bow set

You're in the USA, I'm in europe.

I've got a slight feeling it's a typical attitude to just spam the easy " OP " set everywhere as alot of American's are very focused on doing everything quickly ( from what i've encountered )

Amnesty wrote:

Sai_ wrote:

Holy crap there is an enormous uprising of Kelbi bow usage. Every one I've encountered in g rank rooms has a Nox X + kelbi bow set

You're in the USA, I'm in europe.

I've got a slight feeling it's a typical attitude to just spam the easy " OP " set everywhere as alot of American's are very focused on doing everything quickly ( from what i've encountered )

I cant complain about US , but in EU people play very different things
like you see more often Hunting Horns than Kelbi Bow.

Darklinghunter wrote:

Amnesty wrote:

Sai_ wrote:

Holy crap there is an enormous uprising of Kelbi bow usage. Every one I've encountered in g rank rooms has a Nox X + kelbi bow set

You're in the USA, I'm in europe.

I've got a slight feeling it's a typical attitude to just spam the easy " OP " set everywhere as alot of American's are very focused on doing everything quickly ( from what i've encountered )

I cant complain about US , but in EU people play very different things
like you see more often Hunting Horns than Kelbi Bow.

I love dat steel ura Horn, i never put it down!

Amnesty wrote:

Sai_ wrote:

Holy crap there is an enormous uprising of Kelbi bow usage. Every one I've encountered in g rank rooms has a Nox X + kelbi bow set

You're in the USA, I'm in europe.

I've got a slight feeling it's a typical attitude to just spam the easy " OP " set everywhere as alot of American's are very focused on doing everything quickly ( from what i've encountered )

americans this americans that
keep on hating :lol:

Anyone looking to kill things fast will opt for Kelbi bow; if you have more than one person it's just one of the best options.

Honestly, I barely know anything about 3U, but I know this. People will always default to what they think is best. If they think Slime is the best, then so be it. People who are truly interested in hunting will go for the more interesting, effective styles. It's like in Tri: Everybody and their Poogy was using Vangis because it was amazing. However, the people who were eliminating Jho in 10 minutes were the ones with specialised sets and training. That's the other thing: people will assume that because they just got a good weapon, they are now amazing and will be able to solo White Fatty in 10 mins just like their favourite youtuber.

The hate for slime weapons is getting out of hand. If it really makes people so upset that slime is being used, then go offline and play. It's something completely new to the game , so yes they made it so it was viable to use. What would be the point of introducing a new, unique flagship monster and have its weapons and armor completely useless? We would see the same hate towards Capcom for giving us something useless. It seems when something is used a lot by the community, it automatically starts a grudge towards it, which is like any game. I use Slime a lot, but I also use all the other weapons, elements, and statuses just as much. The Kelbi Bow just so happens to be my go to weapon atm when I want breaks from certain monsters. Before I had a Slime weapons I used my other weapons just the same. We all have a common goal which is to get the best weapons, to kill monsters, to get what we need.

I mostly use slime as a fill in if I don't have a decent weapon with an element that the monster I'm hunting is weak to.

Xzen wrote:

I mostly use slime as a fill in if I don't have a decent weapon with an element that the monster I'm hunting is weak to.

^ this. The funny thing is that i can't get brachy gem so the only slime weapon i have is GS. Since i'm mainly GS user, i use it on blos, lagi because good ice and fire GS are hard to get or require awaken, gold ian, silver los parts, which are unobtainable to me right now.

i havent got this game yet but would like to make a comment about the kelbi bow

all i can say is omg that kelbi bow is a deadly weapon i just watched a japeanse video on youtube of 3 kelbi bow user and 1 heavy bow gun user did 4 g rank monsters in about 3 mins tops thats stupid and then saw a video on g rank alatreon done in 7 mins with 4 kelbi bow users .

fair enough people have found a weapon that people cn use to there advantage to gain stuff quick and fast but then that was the sme in tri with clust runs so whats the diffrence between them two ?? to me there is no diffrence between the two .

dont get me wrong i will try the kelbi bow out in time but i aint gonna be a person who gonna use it in every run i will most likely use it in g rank alatreon speed runs and to help my partner out when she joins me eventually lol but i will be trying out everything in the game i am a long sword user and looking forward to the dual swords .

so everyone needs to stop hating the this weapon because everyone know s if someone finds a weapon that can be exploited then people are gonna use it to there own personal game simple its the problem with every game everyone should know that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WedxEMY8qyA

https://youtu.be/0x3ENsh3kRk

here is proof how powerfull this bow is

JAGGIRIPPER wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WedxEMY8qyA

https://youtu.be/0x3ENsh3kRk

here is proof how powerfull this bow is

I just see how the LBG user is doing the whole work

LBG are sooo OP

In the first case the run would not have been as smooth without the LBG not providing status support. With low HP monsters it is an easy fix but once HP starts reaching the level of most G-rank elder dragons HBG and LBG are a better solution.

Lucas wrote:

JAGGIRIPPER wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WedxEMY8qyA

https://youtu.be/0x3ENsh3kRk

here is proof how powerfull this bow is

I just see how the LBG user is doing the whole work

Ditto this. I've seen another video of ala vs 4x kelbi bows with sleepbombing, but it took 15 minutes instead of 7. LGB user just thoroughly owns the ala and keeps him in check so the kelbi bow users can smash buttons and faceroll ala. Also this guy on this video doesn't seem to be able to aim for better efficency lol, just shooting legs where half the shots go to waste.

But eh... this thing is ten times slower than clusting was on tri. :> Hell, normal sleepbombing was something like 1-2 minutes if you did it right. Add in paralysis, shitton of bombs and you get runs like this. If you aim clust from the ledge, you will score perfect hits all the time, however with kelbi bow, you're still rng'ed by status and you're more than likely to miss such a wide spread couple times.

Besides, I recall one run on tri with me, Lucas and Quidam doing 6:30 minute alatreon runs with wyvernfire, even got a bloody video of it. 3 players, not 4. Pretty sure some of us died too. So unless the g-rank version of normal alatreon is much buffed from the high rank tri version... I still took average 15-20 mins as blademaster on the Megatreon tho, without status gunner support. The record however is a whopping 3:41 minutes on event ala, with clusting. Rage match can be done in 3 minutes.

With crathen's status gun assistance, 3 of us frequently speed runned stuff with wyvernfire and pierces. Kelbi bow usage doesn't seem all that different from them. Get a status gunner, pewpew a shitton, quest complete. Sure the duals might be bit excessive due to the amount of status they can inflict in such short time, which makes them kinda OP, but other slime weapons? Wyvernfire and clust and hell, tri's pierce. 1-2 minute megajoe runs say ello. Pretty sure kelbi bow is only favoured above duals is due to gunner armour sets which are perfect for speedrunning and the simple fact that its a ranged weapon with shitton more reach.

Not to mention on that particular arena quest, monsters only have 1/4th of their normal health since there's like 4 of em, which is silly silly low. So no wonder kelbi bow own them so fast, you need 4 times less barrel bombs to get that hp down to zero. :>

I suppose with the kelbi bow hate, me, lucas, quidam and crathen were horrible people for speedrunning things on tri with wyvernfires? It's fast, it must be facerolling. And all those clusters too. But then again, ala webbings say hi. Why would someone want to take 15 minutes of their time for every run and painfully try to break wings, instead of having the easy way out of the grind? And personally, I just like speedrunning but no one forces anyone to slime everything.

Bottom line: If you can take the easy way out of the grind to get mats for fancy weps or armour, do it. Its your gametime being consumed by the grindy nature of mhtri. And slime is perfect for speedruns too, which some people like to do. But you need a good status gunner to do the work for you lol.

Armoured Barioth wrote:

Honestly, I barely know anything about 3U, but I know this. People will always default to what they think is best. If they think Slime is the best, then so be it. People who are truly interested in hunting will go for the more interesting, effective styles. It's like in Tri: Everybody and their Poogy was using Vangis because it was amazing. However, the people who were eliminating Jho in 10 minutes were the ones with specialised sets and training.

That indeed. But pretty much everyone was using vangis and helios was simply since those two were only ones with S+1, most important and best blademaster skill you could have. There was no competition between having S+1 and alatreon/joe weapon and other weapons, sans maybe some very very few weps against couple monsters like agna ls vs ludroth. Pretty sure if there were more of those, we'd have seen more variation. And I laughed irl at every Alatreon blademaster set I saw, esp without awakening weapon, just because it lacks said S+1 skill. But just because a person had S+1 skill, it didn't make them run around in circles and cart any less against deviljho.

But hey, I once saw a very nice set and decided to copy it for a nice Earplugs, S+1, crit eye+2, trapmaster and speed sharpener set. Alloy helm+, helios chest+, alloy vambracers+, vangis coil, uragaan legs. If I had better charm, I could've gotten one more c-skill. The set was fantastic with longsword like barbarian sharq. And some people used diablos mix to get focus and crit draw and tremor proof.