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ceadeus tail.... been farming for them and only got two (from the repel only quest)

in the decisive battle, I've broken his tail numerous times and never got a tail.... (do i actually have to go to the tail and carve????)

(got deep dragon gem almost very time..... and 2 elderdragon blood in one run too...)

or does the repel only quest (save moga village) have a higher drop rate???

MAJOR BAD LUCK?

Hi guys, long time lurker, first time poster.

On to the stupid question:

How viable are punishing draw and crit draw together on a great sword, and is there a good set that can get me both of them as well as other generally good skills (HGE, Sharp+1, etc.)

I've got a gaan blos mix set that's giving me both of these, but before I invest in trying to find a better way to do it I want to make sure it's viable.

EDIT: Fixed first sentence of question, I know that crit draw at the very least is considered a must have, I was more worried about punishing draw and them being on the same set.

Pieprsn wrote:

That's a shame! I really have no qualms against farming (WOOT FOR SIEGMUND, SIEGLIND, SECOND LEVEL OF GOBUL LS AND LAGI LS, RAVAGER BLADE, BUSTER BLADE, AND GUILD ARMOUR AT HR 17!) but it sounds like that particular charm is a massive pain in the arse to get ahold of, and I doubt that even I could farm that much. Anyone know the numbers on how likely I am to get that particular charm?

1/3100 from a shining charm.

Hence the don't bother trying part.

Hey guys what does more damage to Alatreon, Sabretooth G or alatreon gleam. I ask because MasterOnion and I had an argument in the chatbox and I have seen ala gleam coming out on top when I use damage calcs but whatever damage calculator he is using is saying sabretooth wins

Will wrote:

Hey guys what does more damage to Alatreon, Sabretooth G or alatreon gleam. I ask because MasterOnion and I had an argument in the chatbox and I have seen ala gleam coming out on top when I use damage calcs but whatever damage calculator he is using is saying sabretooth wins

I believe it comes from the fact that Ala is only weak to dragon when in the air, when he's flying around being hard to hit (compared to on the ground). The gleam might do more damage then, but it loses the element advantage after Ala gets flashed down twice, lands on it's own, or has it's horns broken (which most 'pros' can do with a hammer quite well from what I read on this forum). It's not as much of a sheer numbers game, it's about practicality.

...Or my assumptions that you didn't know that Ala wasn't weak to dragon when in ground mode was wrong. Then idk what is going on, and I apologize for underestimating your knowledge.

Silverwind wrote:

Will wrote:

Hey guys what does more damage to Alatreon, Sabretooth G or alatreon gleam. I ask because MasterOnion and I had an argument in the chatbox and I have seen ala gleam coming out on top when I use damage calcs but whatever damage calculator he is using is saying sabretooth wins

I believe it comes from the fact that Ala is only weak to dragon when in the air, when he's flying around being hard to hit (compared to on the ground). The gleam might do more damage then, but it loses the element advantage after Ala gets flashed down twice, lands on it's own, or has it's horns broken (which most 'pros' can do with a hammer quite well from what I read on this forum). It's not as much of a sheer numbers game, it's about practicality.

...Or my assumptions that you didn't know that Ala wasn't weak to dragon when in ground mode was wrong. Then idk what is going on, and I apologize for underestimating your knowledge.

I know how his weakness changes i just heard that Gleam was better even with his bigger ice weakness. I guess I was wrong

Will wrote:

Hey guys what does more damage to Alatreon, Sabretooth G or alatreon gleam. I ask because MasterOnion and I had an argument in the chatbox and I have seen ala gleam coming out on top when I use damage calcs but whatever damage calculator he is using is saying sabretooth wins

Firstly ignore ala gleams dragon damage while fighting ala as he is nearly immune to it while on the ground. You would be fighting ala on the ground for most of the fight and would not be able to make use of the elemental damage gleam has to offer except for the few moments he is airborne until he gets flash bombed out of the sky. So basically the question here is wether the purple sharpness of ala gleam adding nearly 1.2 times the damage of sabertooth is more effective than the powerful ice attribute sabertooth has to offer. (We are assuming both lances have shrp+1 ofc). You also need to consider that gleam has a higher raw than sabertooth and that raw damage is far more effective than elemental damage in terms of actual damage. Personally i believe gleam will come out on top due to a higher raw and the significant increase of power purple shrpness offers. I dontg really know the damage formula well eneogh to be able to run down the calculatoins but im assuming someone like drainbamage or haruno or someone can help here.

alatreon hitzones are very low, making raw damage edge over elements less significant. on the other hand while sabertooth has lower raw it also have the highest base affinity of any lance making gleam advantage quite smaller than it looks. under such conditions sabertooth definitely wins over gleam.

you want numbers?


sabertooth:

raw: (368+36)*(1+(0,25*0,55))*1,32

where:

368 = base raw
36 = powercharm+talon (WHO doesn't bring them to ala?)
(1+(0,25*0,55)) = affinity modifier
1,32 = white sharpness modifier

= 600,3725. (i'll call it raw1)

as for the actual damage of a 3 stab combo:

head = (raw1/2,3)*0,45*0,86 = 101,02 (where 2,3 is lance class modifier, 0,86 the TYPE and 0,45 the hitzone)

to this damage add ice damage, wich is:

420*3*0,2*0,1*1,125 = 28,35 (where 420 is base ice damage, 0,2 hitozne, 0,1 element modifier, 3 because it's a 3hit combo and 1,125 white sharpness)

so we are looking at 129,37 damage to the head for a 3 stab combo, finally multiply this by alatreon DEF multipleir wich i don't remember but it's fixed so it applies the same way to all calculations and we cna omit it for comparative purposes.

gleam on the head would be:

raw2 = (414+36)*1,5 no base affinity so i can spare myself some time

= 675

a 3 stab combo on the head:

(raw2/2,3)*0,45*0,86 = 113,576

element:

450*0,1*0,05*3*1,2 = 121,676

conclusion:
3 stab combo on ground ala to the head with sharpness+1 (whitout DEF multiplier):
gleam does 121,676
sabertooth does 129,37

sabertooth wins.

also notice:

a) i chose head because it's where gleam goes closer to bari lance, any other hitzone puts more emphasis on element over raw making bari lance advantage larger.
b) i used sharp+1 to calculate, whitout it gleam loses purple sharp while sabertooth loses white, comapratively gleam loses even mroe damage.
c) if you use att up(x) skills, for reasons that are treated already sabertooth gets a larger boost comapred to gleam. opposite goes for critical(x) skills, but those are relatively rare.
d) flight mode ala wasn't taken into consideration because either you are good enough to prevent it or too bad to hit it consistently in that stage.


conclusion conclusion: i used for calculations the conditions that are MOST FAVORABLE to gleam and it still loses.

conclusion conclusion conclusion: i'm generally too lazy to make calcs but i had to remind ppl that drain isn't the only one that can calculate :P

ppps: "haruno or dainbramage or someone".... quidam means "someone", oh the funny

Guys, I have a little question about Uragaan just out of curiosity (and since I'll be farming it for Elder Babel Spear, its good to know your enemy) . How much damage does explosive rocks (the big ones ones found in Area 7 or 6 and the smaller ones he threw out) do to Uragaan?

Bimasena009 wrote:

Guys, I have a little question about Uragaan just out of curiosity (and since I'll be farming it for Elder Babel Spear, its good to know your enemy) . How much damage does explosive rocks (the big ones ones found in Area 7 or 6 and the smaller ones he threw out) do to Uragaan?

I know he does not take damage from his own rocks(Other monsters,however, do) and im pretty sure he does not take damage from the bigger rocks but I could be wrong

quidam wrote:

alatreon hitzones are very low, making raw damage edge over elements less significant. on the other hand while sabertooth has lower raw it also have the highest base affinity of any lance making gleam advantage quite smaller than it looks. under such conditions sabertooth definitely wins over gleam.

you want numbers?


sabertooth:

raw: (368+36)*(1+(0,25*0,55))*1,32

where:

368 = base raw
36 = powercharm+talon (WHO doesn't bring them to ala?)
(1+(0,25*0,55)) = affinity modifier
1,32 = white sharpness modifier

= 600,3725. (i'll call it raw1)

as for the actual damage of a 3 stab combo:

head = (raw1/2,3)*0,45*0,86 = 101,02 (where 2,3 is lance class modifier, 0,86 the TYPE and 0,45 the hitzone)

to this damage add ice damage, wich is:

420*3*0,2*0,1*1,125 = 28,35 (where 420 is base ice damage, 0,2 hitozne, 0,1 element modifier, 3 because it's a 3hit combo and 1,125 white sharpness)

so we are looking at 129,37 damage to the head for a 3 stab combo, finally multiply this by alatreon DEF multipleir wich i don't remember but it's fixed so it applies the same way to all calculations and we cna omit it for comparative purposes.

gleam on the head would be:

raw2 = (414+36)*1,5 no base affinity so i can spare myself some time

= 675

a 3 stab combo on the head:

(raw2/2,3)*0,45*0,86 = 113,576

element:

450*0,1*0,05*3*1,2 = 121,676

conclusion:
3 stab combo on ground ala to the head with sharpness+1 (whitout DEF multiplier):
gleam does 121,676
sabertooth does 129,37

sabertooth wins.

also notice:

a) i chose head because it's where gleam goes closer to bari lance, any other hitzone puts more emphasis on element over raw making bari lance advantage larger.
b) i used sharp+1 to calculate, whitout it gleam loses purple sharp while sabertooth loses white, comapratively gleam loses even mroe damage.
c) if you use att up(x) skills, for reasons that are treated already sabertooth gets a larger boost comapred to gleam. opposite goes for critical(x) skills, but those are relatively rare.
d) flight mode ala wasn't taken into consideration because either you are good enough to prevent it or too bad to hit it consistently in that stage.


conclusion conclusion: i used for calculations the conditions that are MOST FAVORABLE to gleam and it still loses.

conclusion conclusion conclusion: i'm generally too lazy to make calcs but i had to remind ppl that drain isn't the only one that can calculate :P

ppps: "haruno or dainbramage or someone".... quidam means "someone", oh the funny

I always see you doing calculations, sorry i just thought of who came to mind first. I don't believe it i totally forgot about the high affinity sabertooth has lol fail by me. Ahh and i also didnt take into account the low raw hitzones of ala which if i recall are like 10 or 20 for most of his body, head being slightly higher. Oh well thnx for that, ill be sure to use sabertooth from now on.

What would be better to fight Ceadeus; Heaven's Thunder (Y) or Dancing Hellfire. I would be using OF lagi, no Sharpness+1 or Aux

Heaven's Thunder (Y) is the way to go.

Heaven's Thunder. The explanation is somewhere in this post. Can you find it? Tic-tac-tic-tac

Heavens thunder is your choice.

Oh great thanks for that. Killed him for the first time today and got a Deep Dragongem as my second carve :D

So guys, how important is Affinity for a weapon? I know that negative Affinity is bad for GS and Hammer, but how important is it to get a critical hit on other weapons? Should I just rely on raw instead? I ask this question assuming that one wear an armor without Critical Draw skill.

On that note, I read a guide that said if a weapon have affinity of 55% or more, it should be treated as a weapon with 1.25x Raw with negative affinity. (E.g.: a hypothetical SnS has 100 Raw and 55% affinity so it is treated as a weapon with 125 Raw and -45% affinity). Is it true?

EDIT: Another question (sorry^^'). You know how sometimes elemental weapon fail to make its elemental damage go off during attack (i.e.: no explosion for fire weapon)? What determine if an elemental damage goes off during an attack and what's a good way to make sure that the elemental goes off reliably?

Bimasena009 wrote:

So guys, how important is Affinity for a weapon? I know that negative Affinity is bad for GS and Hammer, but how important is it to get a critical hit on other weapons? Should I just rely on raw instead? I ask this question assuming that one wear an armor without Critical Draw skill.

On that note, I read a guide that said if a weapon have affinity of 55% or more, it should be treated as a weapon with 1.25x Raw with negative affinity. (E.g.: a hypothetical SnS has 100 Raw and 55% affinity so it is treated as a weapon with 125 Raw and -45% affinity). Is it true?

EDIT: Another question (sorry^^'). You know how sometimes elemental weapon fail to make its elemental damage go off during attack (i.e.: no explosion for fire weapon)? What determine if an elemental damage goes off during an attack and what's a good way to make sure that the elemental goes off reliably?

I'm not sure about what that guide said, but raw is almost always better than Affinity. For example, 10% Affinity means that 10% of the time you will be getting 25% more damage, meaning a average damage increase of 2.5%. Therefore, raw is gives a bigger damage boost than Affinity, the main reason why people use (P) weapons over (G). You should also aim to get Aux rather than Crit eye, for the same reasons.

Bimasena009 wrote:

So guys, how important is Affinity for a weapon? I know that negative Affinity is bad for GS and Hammer, but how important is it to get a critical hit on other weapons? Should I just rely on raw instead? I ask this question assuming that one wear an armor without Critical Draw skill.

On that note, I read a guide that said if a weapon have affinity of 55% or more, it should be treated as a weapon with 1.25x Raw with negative affinity. (E.g.: a hypothetical SnS has 100 Raw and 55% affinity so it is treated as a weapon with 125 Raw and -45% affinity). Is it true?

EDIT: Another question (sorry^^'). You know how sometimes elemental weapon fail to make its elemental damage go off during attack (i.e.: no explosion for fire weapon)? What determine if an elemental damage goes off during an attack and what's a good way to make sure that the elemental goes off reliably?

Affinity just increases or decreases raw damage at a given %chance per swing. It is important, but depending on what you sacrifice to get the affinity may not be worth it. For non-endgame bowguns the attack up skill outdoes the equivelent affinity up skill. Also blade weapon path upgrades are best done on the raw damage path other than some rare instances.

Element damage doesn't fail to go off unless you use an attack which never does it (I.E shield/elbow bash or kicks). Maybe you missed?

Is this set possible:

razor sharp/sharpness+1 (although, i do think itll be easier with razor sharp)
evasion+1/2
critical eye+1
speed sharpener
trapmaster

What is the best quest to try and get Majestic Horns? I've been trying to get some for a while now, and I'm pretty sure that I've been doing the most efficient way to try and get them. (Blow up his horns, end via sub reset if no Majestic) I only have LR quests.

Valdast wrote:

What is the best quest to try and get Majestic Horns? I've been trying to get some for a while now, and I'm pretty sure that I've been doing the most efficient way to try and get them. (Blow up his horns, end via sub reset if no Majestic) I only have LR quests.

break both and end via sub. I prefer lancing them off and using farcaster and don't reset (that's several minutes lost rebooting) takes 2-4 minutes total.

Ultimate Jaggi wrote:

Is this set possible:

razor sharp/sharpness+1 (although, i do think itll be easier with razor sharp)
evasion+1/2
critical eye+1
speed sharpener
trapmaster

http://divinewh.im/s/0_y.O.O_1l_s.H.H_1k.I_1e.N_10.j.R.O
Also possible with Evasion+7 00 tali wiht two grinder decos in it > o>

Ultimate Jaggi wrote:

Is this set possible:

razor sharp/sharpness+1 (although, i do think itll be easier with razor sharp)
evasion+1/2
critical eye+1
speed sharpener
trapmaster

This one with Razor Sharp instead:

http://divinewh.im/s/1.O_y.1S_11.k.k_1g.N_16.O_15.O_z.j.1F

Gemming of course depends on what your talisman is XD

Hey guys, I'm Planning to take up bowgunning again. I was never good in gunning in the first place, which is why I want to seriously learn how to gun. However, I soldall of my Gunner Armor sets when I first gave up. Now I only have Barioth gunning set with Precision +2, Marathon Runner, Evade +2, and Cold Cancel (Lo).

Similarly, I only have these bowgun parts:
Barrel:
Heavy Bowgun, Aquamantic Needler, Thundracus, Barrozooka

Stock:
Rathling Gun, Aquamantic Needler, Royal Launcher

Frame:
Poison Stinger, Agnablaster, Jaggid Fire, Royal Launcher, Tropeco Gun

Any tip on set and strategy for my current setup? I'm planning to get Diablos gunning set as well, as soon as I learn how to not kill the damn thing when I'm lancing.

Hmm I'd say Needler Stock,Jaggid Frame,Barozooka for 6lv pierce . Should peform quite well even without the 10% boost from Pierce S UP for the start..

BTW why would you sell all your gunenr equipment but keep the crappy stuff ._.